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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rushikesh.s.kadam@intel.com, neeraj.iitr10@gmail.com,
	frederic@kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] rcu: Make call_rcu() lazy to save power
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:32:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220926223222.GX4196@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YzITXYGIqfRIebIH@google.com>

On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 09:02:21PM +0000, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 09:32:44PM +0200, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> [...]
> > > > > On my KVM machine the boot time is affected:
> > > > > 
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > [    2.273406] e1000 0000:00:03.0 eth0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
> > > > > [   11.945283] e1000 0000:00:03.0 ens3: renamed from eth0
> > > > > [   22.165198] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] scsi3-mmc drive: 4x/4x cd/rw xa/form2 tray
> > > > > [   22.165206] cdrom: Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
> > > > > [   32.406981] sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
> > > > > [  104.115418] process '/usr/bin/fstype' started with executable stack
> > > > > [  104.170142] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Quota mode: none.
> > > > > [  104.340125] systemd[1]: systemd 241 running in system mode. (+PAM +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +APPARMOR +SMACK +SYSVINIT +UTMP +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +GNUTLS +ACL +XZ +LZ4 +SECCOMP +BLKID +ELFUTILS +KMOD -IDN2 +IDN -PCRE2 default-hierarchy=hybrid)
> > > > > [  104.340193] systemd[1]: Detected virtualization kvm.
> > > > > [  104.340196] systemd[1]: Detected architecture x86-64.
> > > > > [  104.359032] systemd[1]: Set hostname to <pc638>.
> > > > > [  105.740109] random: crng init done
> > > > > [  105.741267] systemd[1]: Reached target Remote File Systems.
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2 - 11 and second delay is between 32 - 104. So there are still users which must
> > > > > be waiting for "RCU" in a sync way.
> > > > 
> > > > I was wondering if you can compare boot logs and see which timestamp does the
> > > > slow down start from. That way, we can narrow down the callback. Also another
> > > > idea is, add "trace_event=rcu:rcu_callback,rcu:rcu_invoke_callback
> > > > ftrace_dump_on_oops" to the boot params, and then manually call
> > > > "tracing_off(); panic();" from the code at the first printk that seems off in
> > > > your comparison of good vs bad. For example, if "crng init done" timestamp is
> > > > off, put the "tracing_off(); panic();" there. Then grab the serial console
> > > > output to see what were the last callbacks that was queued/invoked.
> > > 
> > > We do seem to be in need of some way to quickly and easily locate the
> > > callback that needed to be _flush() due to a wakeup.
> > >
> > <snip>
> > diff --git a/kernel/workqueue.c b/kernel/workqueue.c
> > index aeea9731ef80..fe1146d97f1a 100644
> > --- a/kernel/workqueue.c
> > +++ b/kernel/workqueue.c
> > @@ -1771,7 +1771,7 @@ bool queue_rcu_work(struct workqueue_struct *wq, struct rcu_work *rwork)
> >  
> >         if (!test_and_set_bit(WORK_STRUCT_PENDING_BIT, work_data_bits(work))) {
> >                 rwork->wq = wq;
> > -               call_rcu(&rwork->rcu, rcu_work_rcufn);
> > +               call_rcu_flush(&rwork->rcu, rcu_work_rcufn);
> >                 return true;
> >         }
> >  
> > <snip>
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > But it does not fully solve my boot-up issue. Will debug tomorrow further.
> 
> Ah, but at least its progress, thanks. Could you send me a patch to include
> in the next revision with details of this?
> 
> > > Might one more proactive approach be to use Coccinelle to locate such
> > > callback functions?  We might not want -all- callbacks that do wakeups
> > > to use call_rcu_flush(), but knowing which are which should speed up
> > > slow-boot debugging by quite a bit.
> > > 
> > > Or is there a better way to do this?
> > > 
> > I am not sure what Coccinelle is. If we had something automated that measures
> > a boot time and if needed does some profiling it would be good. Otherwise it
> > is a manual debugging mainly, IMHO.
> 
> Paul, What about using a default-off kernel CONFIG that splats on all lazy
> call_rcu() callbacks that do a wake up. We could use the trace hooks to do it
> in kernel I think. I can talk to Steve to get ideas on how to do that but I
> think it can be done purely from trace events (we might need a new
> trace_end_invoke_callback to fire after the callback is invoked). Thoughts?

Could you look for wakeups invoked between trace_rcu_batch_start() and
trace_rcu_batch_end() that are not from interrupt context?  This would
of course need to be associated with a task rather than a CPU.

Note that you would need to check for wakeups from interrupt handlers
even with the extra trace_end_invoke_callback().  The window where an
interrupt handler could do a wakeup would be reduced, but not eliminated.

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-26 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-22 22:01 [PATCH v6 0/4] rcu: call_rcu() power improvements Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-09-22 22:01 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] rcu: Make call_rcu() lazy to save power Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-09-23 21:44   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-24 16:20     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-24 21:11       ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-24 22:56         ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-25 17:31         ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-26 17:42           ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-26 21:07             ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-26 22:37               ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-26 23:33                 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-26 23:53                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-10-03 19:33                     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-10-03 19:49                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-24 22:46   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-09-24 23:28     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-25  1:00       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-25 22:00         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-09-26 15:04           ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-26 17:33             ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-26 23:37               ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-25 22:09       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-09-26 17:45         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-25  8:57   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2022-09-25 17:46     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-26 17:48       ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-26 19:32         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2022-09-26 21:02           ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-26 22:32             ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2022-09-26 23:47               ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-26 23:59                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-27  1:49                   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-27  3:22                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-27 13:05                       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-27 14:14                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-27 14:22                           ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-27 14:30                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-27 15:25                               ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-27 15:59                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                   ` <CAEXW_YRpAjvmBPzRA-hRQpuaDuZUzfndLb3q+e3BUyWprg5wkQ@mail.gmail.com>
2022-09-27  3:21                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-26 22:27           ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-26 19:39       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2022-09-26 20:54         ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-26 22:35           ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-26 23:44             ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-26 23:57               ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-27  1:16                 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-27  3:20                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-27 14:08           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2022-09-27 14:30             ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-27 14:59               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2022-09-27 15:13                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2022-09-27 21:31                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2022-09-27 22:05                     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-27 22:29                       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-30 16:11                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2022-10-04 11:35                           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2022-10-04 18:06                             ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-27 15:14                 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-22 22:01 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] rcu: shrinker for lazy rcu Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-09-22 22:01 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] rcuscale: Add laziness and kfree tests Joel Fernandes (Google)
2022-09-22 22:01 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] percpu-refcount: Use call_rcu_flush() for atomic switch Joel Fernandes (Google)

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