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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>
Cc: mingo@kernel.org, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de, bristot@redhat.com,
	corbet@lwn.net, qyousef@layalina.io, chris.hyser@oracle.com,
	patrick.bellasi@matbug.net, pjt@google.com, pavel@ucw.cz,
	qperret@google.com, tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com, timj@gnu.org,
	kprateek.nayak@amd.com, yu.c.chen@intel.com,
	youssefesmat@chromium.org, joel@joelfernandes.org, efault@gmx.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/17] sched/fair: Implement an EEVDF like policy
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 10:02:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230329080251.GK4253@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABk29Nt4T67S+L9Qs1qeOUyo5gY1Qy5KuOwuCYNM74E58J81Eg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 06:26:51PM -0700, Josh Don wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> This is a really interesting proposal and in general I think the
> incorporation of latency/deadline is quite a nice enhancement. We've
> struggled for a while to get better latency bounds on performance
> sensitive threads in the face of antagonism from overcommit.
> 
> >  void update_entity_lag(struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq, struct sched_entity *se)
> >  {
> > +       s64 lag, limit;
> > +
> >         SCHED_WARN_ON(!se->on_rq);
> > -       se->vlag = avg_vruntime(cfs_rq) - se->vruntime;
> > +       lag = avg_vruntime(cfs_rq) - se->vruntime;
> > +
> > +       limit = calc_delta_fair(max_t(u64, 2*se->slice, TICK_NSEC), se);
> > +       se->vlag = clamp(lag, -limit, limit);
> 
> This is for dequeue; presumably you'd want to update the vlag at
> enqueue in case the average has moved again due to enqueue/dequeue of
> other entities?

Ha, just adding the entry back will shift the avgerage around and it's
all a giant pain in the backside.

 place_entity(struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq, struct sched_entity *se, int initial)
 {
 	u64 vruntime = avg_vruntime(cfs_rq);
+	s64 lag = 0;
 
+	/*
+	 * Due to how V is constructed as the weighted average of entities,
+	 * adding tasks with positive lag, or removing tasks with negative lag
+	 * will move 'time' backwards, this can screw around with the lag of
+	 * other tasks.
+	 *
+	 * EEVDF: placement strategy #1 / #2
+	 */
+	if (sched_feat(PLACE_LAG) && cfs_rq->nr_running > 1) {
+		struct sched_entity *curr = cfs_rq->curr;
+		unsigned long load;
 
+		lag = se->vlag;
 
 		/*
+		 * If we want to place a task and preserve lag, we have to
+		 * consider the effect of the new entity on the weighted
+		 * average and compensate for this, otherwise lag can quickly
+		 * evaporate:
+		 *
+		 * l_i = V - v_i <=> v_i = V - l_i
+		 *
+		 * V = v_avg = W*v_avg / W
+		 *
+		 * V' = (W*v_avg + w_i*v_i) / (W + w_i)
+		 *    = (W*v_avg + w_i(v_avg - l_i)) / (W + w_i)
+		 *    = v_avg + w_i*l_i/(W + w_i)
+		 *
+		 * l_i' = V' - v_i = v_avg + w_i*l_i/(W + w_i) - (v_avg - l)
+		 *      = l_i - w_i*l_i/(W + w_i)
+		 *
+		 * l_i = (W + w_i) * l_i' / W
 		 */
+		load = cfs_rq->avg_load;
+		if (curr && curr->on_rq)
+			load += curr->load.weight;
+
+		lag *= load + se->load.weight;
+		if (WARN_ON_ONCE(!load))
+			load = 1;
+		lag = div_s64(lag, load);
 
+		vruntime -= lag;
 	}


That ^ is the other side of it.

But yes, once enqueued, additional join/leave operations can/will shift
V around and lag changes, nothing much to do about that.

The paper does it all a wee bit differently, but I think it ends up
being the same. They explicitly track V (and shift it around on
join/leave) while I implicitly track it through the average and then
need to play games like the above, but in the end it should be the same.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-29  8:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-28  9:26 [PATCH 00/17] sched: EEVDF using latency-nice Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 01/17] sched: Introduce latency-nice as a per-task attribute Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 02/17] sched/fair: Add latency_offset Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 03/17] sched/fair: Add sched group latency support Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 04/17] sched/fair: Add avg_vruntime Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28 23:57   ` Josh Don
2023-03-29  7:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-05 19:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 05/17] sched/fair: Remove START_DEBIT Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 06/17] sched/fair: Add lag based placement Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-03  9:18   ` Chen Yu
2023-04-05  9:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-06  3:03       ` Chen Yu
2023-04-13 15:42       ` Chen Yu
2023-04-13 15:55         ` Chen Yu
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 07/17] rbtree: Add rb_add_augmented_cached() helper Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 08/17] sched/fair: Implement an EEVDF like policy Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-29  1:26   ` Josh Don
2023-03-29  8:02     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-03-29  8:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-29  8:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-29 18:48         ` Josh Don
2023-03-29  8:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-29 18:54       ` Josh Don
2023-03-29  8:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-29 14:35   ` Vincent Guittot
2023-03-30  8:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-30 17:05       ` Vincent Guittot
2023-04-04 12:00         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 09/17] sched: Commit to lag based placement Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 10/17] sched/smp: Use lag to simplify cross-runqueue placement Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 11/17] sched: Commit to EEVDF Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 12/17] sched/debug: Rename min_granularity to base_slice Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 13/17] sched: Merge latency_offset into slice Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 14/17] sched/eevdf: Better handle mixed slice length Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-31 15:26   ` Vincent Guittot
2023-04-04  9:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-04 13:50       ` Joel Fernandes
2023-04-05  5:41         ` Mike Galbraith
2023-04-05  8:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-05 20:05           ` Joel Fernandes
2023-04-14 11:18             ` Phil Auld
2023-04-16  5:10               ` Joel Fernandes
     [not found]   ` <20230401232355.336-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2023-04-02  2:40     ` Mike Galbraith
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 15/17] [RFC] sched/eevdf: Sleeper bonus Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-29  9:10   ` Mike Galbraith
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 16/17] [RFC] sched/eevdf: Minimal vavg option Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-28  9:26 ` [PATCH 17/17] [DEBUG] sched/eevdf: Debug / validation crud Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-03  7:42 ` [PATCH 00/17] sched: EEVDF using latency-nice Shrikanth Hegde
2023-04-10  3:13 ` David Vernet
2023-04-11  2:09   ` David Vernet
     [not found] ` <20230410082307.1327-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2023-04-11 10:15   ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]   ` <20230411133333.1790-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2023-04-11 14:56     ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]     ` <20230412025042.1413-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2023-04-12  4:05       ` Mike Galbraith
2023-04-25 12:32 ` Phil Auld

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