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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Kenan.Liu" <Kenan.Liu@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	bristot@redhat.com, vschneid@redhat.com,
	luoben@linux.alibaba.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] Adjust CFS loadbalance to adapt QEMU CPU topology.
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 10:50:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230720085032.GB3569127@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1689842053-5291-1-git-send-email-Kenan.Liu@linux.alibaba.com>

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 04:34:11PM +0800, Kenan.Liu wrote:
> From: "Kenan.Liu" <Kenan.Liu@linux.alibaba.com>
> 
> Multithreading workloads in VM with Qemu may encounter an unexpected
> phenomenon: one hyperthread of a physical core is busy while its sibling
> is idle. Such as:

Is this with vCPU pinning? Without that, guest topology makes no sense
what so ever.

> The main reason is that hyperthread index is consecutive in qemu native x86 CPU
> model which is different from the physical topology. 

I'm sorry, what? That doesn't make sense. SMT enumeration is all over
the place for Intel, but some actually do have (n,n+1) SMT. On AMD it's
always (n,n+1) IIRC.

> As the current kernel scheduler
> implementation, hyperthread with an even ID number will be picked up in a much
> higher probability during load-balancing and load-deploying.

How so?

> This RFC targets to solve the problem by adjusting CFS loabalance policy:
> 1. Explore CPU topology and adjust CFS loadbalance policy when we found machine
> with qemu native CPU topology.
> 2. Export a procfs to control the traverse length when select idle cpu.
> 
> Kenan.Liu (2):
>   sched/fair: Adjust CFS loadbalance for machine with qemu native CPU
>     topology.
>   sched/fair: Export a param to control the traverse len when select
>     idle cpu.

NAK, qemu can either provide a fake topology to the guest using normal
x86 means (MADT/CPUID) or do some paravirt topology setup, but this is
quite insane.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-07-20  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-20  8:34 Kenan.Liu
2023-07-20  8:34 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: Adjust CFS loadbalance for machine with qemu native " Kenan.Liu
2023-07-20  8:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Export a param to control the traverse len when select idle cpu Kenan.Liu
2023-07-20  8:50 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-07-21  2:58   ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Adjust CFS loadbalance to adapt QEMU CPU topology Kenan.Liu
2023-07-21  8:33     ` Vincent Guittot
2023-07-21  9:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-24  6:57         ` luoben
2023-07-24 14:07           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-21  9:11     ` Peter Zijlstra

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