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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>
To: Nikolay Borisov <nik.borisov@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Babu Moger <babu.moger@amd.com>,
	David.Kaplan@amd.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 4/4] x86/srso: Use CALL-based return thunks to reduce overhead
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:18:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230822221828.htnwidmr22gtjhcd@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9565380a-4654-f267-c8ac-a4d6ab81156a@suse.com>

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 09:45:07AM +0300, Nikolay Borisov wrote:
> 
> 
> On 22.08.23 г. 5:22 ч., Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 12:01:29AM +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> > > On 21/08/2023 4:16 pm, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 12:27:23PM +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> > > > > The SRSO safety depends on having a CALL to an {ADD,LEA}/RET sequence which
> > > > > has been made safe in the BTB.  Specifically, there needs to be no pertubance
> > > > > to the RAS between a correctly predicted CALL and the subsequent RET.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Use the new infrastructure to CALL to a return thunk.  Remove
> > > > > srso_fam1?_safe_ret() symbols and point srso_fam1?_return_thunk().
> > > > > 
> > > > > This removes one taken branch from every function return, which will reduce
> > > > > the overhead of the mitigation.  It also removes one of three moving pieces
> > > > > from the SRSO mess.
> > > > So, the address of whatever instruction comes after the 'CALL
> > > > srso_*_return_thunk' is added to the RSB/RAS, and that might be
> > > > speculated to when the thunk returns.  Is that a concern?
> > > 
> > > That is very intentional, and key to the safety.
> > > 
> > > Replacing a RET with a CALL/{ADD,LEA}/RET sequence is a form of
> > > retpoline thunk.  The only difference with regular retpolines is that
> > > the intended target is already on the stack, and not in a GPR.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If the CALL mispredicts, it doesn't matter.  When decode catches up
> > > (allegedly either instantaneously on Fam19h, or a few cycles late on
> > > Fam17h), the top of the RAS is corrected will point at the INT3
> > > following the CALL instruction.
> > 
> > That's the thing though, at least with my kernel/compiler combo there's
> > no INT3 after the JMP __x86_return_thunk, and there's no room to patch
> > one in after the CALL, as the JMP and CALL are both 5 bytes.
> 
> FWIW gcc's mfunction-return=thunk-return only ever generates a jmp,
> thunk/thunk-inline OTOH generates a "full fledged" thunk with all the
> necessary speculation catching tricks.
> 
> For reference:
> 
> https://godbolt.org/z/M1avYc63b

The problem is the call-site, not the thunk.  Ideally we'd have an
option which adds an INT3 after the 'JMP __x86_return_thunk'.

-- 
Josh

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-22 22:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-21 11:27 [PATCH 0/4] x86/srso: Reduce overhead of the mitigation Andrew Cooper
2023-08-21 11:27 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/srso: Rename srso_alias_*() to srso_fam19_*() Andrew Cooper
2023-09-13 13:46   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-09-13 14:27     ` Andrew Cooper
2023-09-13 14:46       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-21 11:27 ` [PATCH 2/4] x86/srso: Rename fam17 SRSO infrastructure to srso_fam17_*() Andrew Cooper
2023-09-13 13:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-21 11:27 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] x86/ret-thunk: Support CALL-ing to the ret-thunk Andrew Cooper
2023-08-21 11:27 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] x86/srso: Use CALL-based return thunks to reduce overhead Andrew Cooper
2023-08-21 15:16   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-21 23:01     ` Andrew Cooper
2023-08-22  2:22       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-22  6:45         ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-22 22:18           ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2023-08-23  6:08             ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-09-13 12:50             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-13 13:17   ` Peter Zijlstra

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