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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Yuanhan Zhang <zyhtheonly@gmail.com>
Cc: zyhtheonly@yeah.net, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@google.com>,
	peterz@infradead.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	bristot@redhat.com, vschneid@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] sched/cputime: let ktimers align with ksoftirqd in accounting CPUTIME_SOFTIRQ
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 16:31:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231205153146.OSpCIs1G@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEQmJ=jbB5ag5HRMjZqjych_wj_v6wTMLQxJbnJsgwNdn37kbw@mail.gmail.com>

On 2023-12-02 05:28:15 [-0500], Yuanhan Zhang wrote:
> Hi,
Hi,

> Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de> 于2023年12月1日周五 11:16写道:
> >
> > On 2023-12-01 16:05:41 [+0800], tiozhang wrote:
> > > In CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT kernel, ktimers also calls __do_softirq,
> > > so when accounting CPUTIME_SOFTIRQ, ktimers need to be accounted the same
> > > as ksoftirqd.
> >
> > I still don't understand why this is a good thing and why want to align
> > it with ksoftirqd and what breaks if we don't.
> 
> My motivation of doing this is to keep CPUTIME_SOFTIRQ in /proc/stat
> remaining more accurate in PREEPT_RT kernel.
> 
> If we dont align, ktimers' cpu time is added to CPUTIME_SYSTEM when
> CONFIG_IRQ_TIME_ACCOUNTING is enabled, make our stats less accurate..

So it is only SYSTEM? There is no additional SOFTIRQ that is used?

> The main diff between ksoftirqd and force-threaded interrupt is that ksoftirq
> is in SOFTIRQ_OFFSET (serving softirqs) while  force-threaded is in
> SOFTIRQ_DISABLE_OFFSET (by using local_disable_bh).

This depends. If you look at a network driver, SOFTIRQ_DISABLE_OFFSET is
used during the driver routine doing almost only schedule a softirq.
Then the main part happens during SOFTIRQ_OFFSET where the driver pulls
the packets and passes them to the network stack.

> CPUTIME_SOFTIRQ serves for time in SOFTIRQ_OFFSET (processing softirqs).
> See
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/1285619753-10892-1-git-send-email-venki@google.com/

Let me look at this later…

> So this leads to ksoftirqd is counted into CPUTIME_SOFTIRQ but irq-threads
> into CPUTIME_SYSTEM.
> 
> Since ktimers is also in SOFTIRQ_OFFSET, align it with ksoftirq will
> put it into CPUTIME_SOFTIRQ, making /proc/stat more accurate.

But this only works if it is observed during the TICK interrupt, right?

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-05 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-24  6:34 [PATCH] sched/cputime: exclude ktimer threads in irqtime_account_irq tiozhang
2023-11-27 18:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-30  9:41   ` [PATCH v2] sched/cputime: exclude ktimers " tiozhang
2023-11-30 12:00     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-12-01  7:27       ` Yuanhan Zhang
2023-12-01  7:32         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-12-01  8:05           ` [PATCH v3] sched/cputime: let ktimers align with ksoftirqd in accounting CPUTIME_SOFTIRQ tiozhang
2023-12-01 16:16             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-12-02 10:28               ` Yuanhan Zhang
2023-12-05 15:31                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2023-12-07 10:43                   ` Yuanhan Zhang
2023-12-07 15:35                     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-12-07 17:19                       ` Yuanhan Zhang
2023-12-07 18:18                         ` Steven Rostedt
2023-12-08  9:26                           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-12-11 12:02                             ` [PATCH v4] sched/cputime: account ksoftirqd's time on SYSTEM in PREEMPT_RT Tio Zhang
2023-12-15 18:30                             ` [PATCH v3] sched/cputime: let ktimers align with ksoftirqd in accounting CPUTIME_SOFTIRQ Yuanhan Zhang

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