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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>, Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, void@manifault.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] Optimization to reduce the cost of newidle balance
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:17:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240717121745.GF26750@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1690273854.git.yu.c.chen@intel.com>

On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 10:33:58PM +0800, Chen Yu wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This is the second version of the newidle balance optimization[1].
> It aims to reduce the cost of newidle balance which is found to
> occupy noticeable CPU cycles on some high-core count systems.
> 
> For example, when running sqlite on Intel Sapphire Rapids, which has
> 2 x 56C/112T = 224 CPUs:
> 
> 6.69%    0.09%  sqlite3     [kernel.kallsyms]   [k] newidle_balance
> 5.39%    4.71%  sqlite3     [kernel.kallsyms]   [k] update_sd_lb_stats
> 
> To mitigate this cost, the optimization is inspired by the question
> raised by Tim:
> Do we always have to find the busiest group and pull from it? Would
> a relatively busy group be enough?

So doesn't this basically boil down to recognising that new-idle might
not be the same as regular load-balancing -- we need any task, fast,
rather than we need to make equal load.

David's shared runqueue patches did the same, they re-imagined this very
path.

Now, David's thing went side-ways because of some regression that wasn't
further investigated.

But it occurs to me this might be the same thing that Prateek chased
down here:

  https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20240710090210.41856-1-kprateek.nayak@amd.com

Hmm ?

Supposing that is indeed the case, I think it makes more sense to
proceed with that approach. That is, completely redo the sub-numa new
idle balance.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-17 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-27 14:33 Chen Yu
2023-07-27 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] sched/topology: Assign sd_share for all non NUMA sched domains Chen Yu
2023-07-27 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] sched/topology: Introduce nr_groups in sched_domain to indicate the number of groups Chen Yu
2023-07-27 14:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] sched/fair: Save a snapshot of sched domain total_load and total_capacity Chen Yu
2023-07-27 14:35 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] sched/fair: Calculate the scan depth for idle balance based on system utilization Chen Yu
2023-08-25  6:02   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2023-08-30 15:30     ` Chen Yu
2023-07-27 14:35 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] sched/fair: Adjust the busiest group scanning depth in idle load balance Chen Yu
2023-08-25  6:00   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2023-08-30 15:35     ` Chen Yu
2023-07-27 14:35 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] sched/fair: Pull from a relatively busy group during newidle balance Chen Yu
2023-07-27 14:35 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] sched/stats: Track the scan number of groups during load balance Chen Yu
2023-08-25  7:48 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] Optimization to reduce the cost of newidle balance Shrikanth Hegde
2023-08-30 15:26   ` Chen Yu
2023-09-10  7:51     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-07-16 14:16 ` Matt Fleming
2024-07-17  3:52   ` Chen Yu
2024-07-17 15:31     ` Matt Fleming
2024-07-17 12:17 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-07-18  9:28   ` K Prateek Nayak
2024-07-18 17:01     ` Chen Yu
2024-07-18 16:57   ` Chen Yu

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