From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
mingo@kernel.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
vschneid@redhat.com, frederic@kernel.org, efault@gmx.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] rcu: limit PREEMPT_RCU configurations
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:18:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241011081847.r2x73XIr@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c6cbc343-01c3-4a38-8723-cc44e83dedf7@paulmck-laptop>
On 2024-10-10 07:29:07 [-0700], Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> If you have PREEMPT_RT, you need preemptible RCU, so the defaults should
> supply it.
>
> If you have PREEMPT_DYNAMIC, presumably you would like to boot with
> preemption enabled, and would like it to act as if you had built the
> kernel to be unconditionally preemptible, so again you need preemptible
> RCU, and so the defaults should supply it.
>
> If you started off building a non-preemptible kernel, then you are not
> using one of the major distros (last I checked). There is a good chance
> that you have a large number of systems, and are thus deeply interested
> in minimizing memory cost. In which case, you need non-preemptible
> RCU in the new-age lazy-preemptible kernel.
>
> Hence the choice of non-preemptible RCU as the default in a kernel that,
> without lazy preemption, would use non-preemptible RCU.
I *think* I slowly begin to understand. So we have LAZY and DYNAMIC
enabled then and PREEMPT_RCU depends on the default choice which is
either FULL (yes, please) or NONE/VOLUNTARY (no, thank you). But then if
you change the model at runtime (or boottime) from (default) NONE to
FULL you don't have preemptible RCU anymore.
If you would like to add some relief to memory constrained systems,
wouldn't BASE_SMALL be something you could hook to? With EXPERT_RCU to
allow to override it?
> Thanx, Paul
Sebastian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-11 8:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-10-09 16:54 [PATCH 0/7] Lazy preemption bits Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 1/7] sched: warn for high latency with TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-10-10 6:37 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 18:19 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-13 9:44 ` kernel test robot
2024-10-13 9:54 ` kernel test robot
2024-10-16 9:36 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-10-21 19:21 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-22 5:41 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 2/7] rcu: limit PREEMPT_RCU configurations Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 18:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-09 18:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-09 20:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-09 21:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-10 7:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-10 14:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-10 6:32 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 8:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-10 9:13 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 10:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-10 10:26 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 10:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-10 14:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-11 8:18 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2024-10-11 13:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-11 14:43 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-11 15:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-15 11:22 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-15 22:13 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-17 8:04 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-17 22:50 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-18 17:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-18 19:18 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-18 23:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-19 1:07 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-19 4:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-15 23:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-17 7:07 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-18 17:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-21 11:27 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-21 16:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-21 19:20 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-22 23:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-22 14:09 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-22 23:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-23 6:58 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 17:35 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-11 7:58 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-15 23:01 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-10 17:42 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 3/7] rcu: fix header guard for rcu_all_qs() Ankur Arora
2024-10-10 6:41 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 8:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-10 14:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 4/7] rcu: handle quiescent states for PREEMPT_RCU=n, PREEMPT_COUNT=y Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 19:05 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-10 14:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-10 17:59 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-10 6:50 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 17:56 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-11 7:52 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 5/7] rcu: rename PREEMPT_AUTO to PREEMPT_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 18:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-09 18:52 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 6/7] osnoise: handle quiescent states for PREEMPT_RCU=n, PREEMPTION=y Ankur Arora
2024-10-10 6:53 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 14:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-10 17:50 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-11 7:36 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-14 20:14 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 7/7] powerpc: add support for PREEMPT_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-10-10 7:22 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 18:10 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-11 18:35 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-10-12 22:42 ` Michael Ellerman
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