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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
	"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Juri Lelli" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	"Waiman Long" <longman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/3] futex: Add basic infrastructure for local task local hash.
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:30:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241028103058.tERYBWZu@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87cyjl4u1h.ffs@tglx>

On 2024-10-27 13:19:54 [+0100], Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > +	if (current->futex_hash_table)
> > +		return -EALREADY;
> 
> You also need to check whether a hash table exists already in the
> process. The table must be process shared to make sense. So it should
> live in current->signal, which is a valid pointer in the context of
> current.
> 
> So this needs some more thoughts especially vs. automatic creation and
> sharing.
> 
> The first question is whether the hash table might have been already
> created when the application reaches main(). If so then this call will
> fail.
> 
> To make this work correctly, this needs proper serialization as well.
> 
> Assume a situation where the application does not allocate a table
> upfront and the first futex use happens late when threads are running
> already.
> 
> CPU0                            CPU1
> T1                              T2        
> sys_futex()                     sys_futex()
>   create_hash()                   create_hash()
> 
> So T1 and T2 create their local hash and the subsequent usage will fail
> because they operate on different hashs. You have the same problem
> vs. your allocation scheme when two threads do prctl(ALLOC). We really
> want to make this as simple as possible.

So I moved this to struct signal_struct and limited allocation to the
group leader.

You want automated creation of this? For everyone or with a hint? This
is 64 bytes per slot due to the cache alignment but event without this
struct takes 56 bytes on PREEMPT_RT and 24 bytes on non-RT. So the four
slots are 256 bytes. Assuming 2.5k tasks it takes 625 KiB. Maybe not
that much.

Let me post v2 the signal_struct and then think about auto ON.

> 
> Thanks,
> 
>         tglx

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-28 10:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-26 22:34 [RFC PATCH 0/3] futex: Add support task local hash maps Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-26 22:34 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] futex: Create helper function to initialize a hash slot Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-26 22:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] futex: Add basic infrastructure for local task local hash Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-27 12:19   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-28 10:30     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2024-10-28 10:58       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-28 11:00         ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-28 12:02           ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-30 21:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-30 23:14               ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-31  9:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-28 10:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-28 10:24     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-28 10:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-28 13:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-26 22:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] futex: Use the task local hashmap Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-28 10:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-28 10:24     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-27 10:01 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] futex: Add support task local hash maps Thomas Gleixner

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