From: Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>
To: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
"Sapkal, Swapnil" <swapnil.sapkal@amd.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 18:29:33 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250304102934.2999-1-hdanton@sina.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0d17fc70-01a8-43b4-aec6-5cede5c8f7ba@amd.com>
On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 11:05:57 +0530 K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
>On 3/4/2025 10:36 AM, Hillf Danton wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 15:16:34 +0530 "Sapkal, Swapnil" <swapnil.sapkal@amd.com>
>>> On 2/28/2025 10:03 PM, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>>>> And... I know, I know you already hate me ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not at all :)
>>>
>>>> but if you have time, could you check if this patch (with or without the
>>>> previous debugging patch) makes any difference? Just to be sure.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, I will give this a try.
>>>
>>> But in the meanwhile me and Prateek tried some of the experiments in the weekend.
>>> We were able to reproduce this issue on a third generation EPYC system as well as
>>> on an Intel Emerald Rapids (2 X INTEL(R) XEON(R) PLATINUM 8592+).
>>>
>>> We tried heavy hammered tracing approach over the weekend on top of your debug patch.
>>> I have attached the debug patch below. With tracing we found the following case for
>>> pipe_writable():
>>>
>>> hackbench-118768 [206] ..... 1029.550601: pipe_write: 000000005eea28ff: 0: 37 38 16: 1
>>>
>>> Here,
>>>
>>> head = 37
>>> tail = 38
>>> max_usage = 16
>>> pipe_full() returns 1.
>>>
>>> Between reading of head and later the tail, the tail seems to have moved ahead of the
>>> head leading to wraparound. Applying the following changes I have not yet run into a
>>> hang on the original machine where I first saw it:
>>>
>>> diff --git a/fs/pipe.c b/fs/pipe.c
>>> index ce1af7592780..a1931c817822 100644
>>> --- a/fs/pipe.c
>>> +++ b/fs/pipe.c
>>> @@ -417,9 +417,19 @@ static inline int is_packetized(struct file *file)
>>> /* Done while waiting without holding the pipe lock - thus the READ_ONCE() */
>>> static inline bool pipe_writable(const struct pipe_inode_info *pipe)
>>> {
>>> - unsigned int head = READ_ONCE(pipe->head);
>>> - unsigned int tail = READ_ONCE(pipe->tail);
>>> unsigned int max_usage = READ_ONCE(pipe->max_usage);
>>> + unsigned int head, tail;
>>> +
>>> + tail = READ_ONCE(pipe->tail);
>>> + /*
>>> + * Since the unsigned arithmetic in this lockless preemptible context
>>> + * relies on the fact that the tail can never be ahead of head, read
>>> + * the head after the tail to ensure we've not missed any updates to
>>> + * the head. Reordering the reads can cause wraparounds and give the
>>> + * illusion that the pipe is full.
>>> + */
>>> + smp_rmb();
>>> + head = READ_ONCE(pipe->head);
>>>
>>> return !pipe_full(head, tail, max_usage) ||
>>> !READ_ONCE(pipe->readers);
>>> ---
>>>
>>> smp_rmb() on x86 is a nop and even without the barrier we were not able to
>>> reproduce the hang even after 10000 iterations.
>>>
>> My $.02 that changes the wait condition.
>> Not sure it makes sense for you.
>>
>> --- x/fs/pipe.c
>> +++ y/fs/pipe.c
>> @@ -430,7 +430,7 @@ pipe_write(struct kiocb *iocb, struct io
>> {
>> struct file *filp = iocb->ki_filp;
>> struct pipe_inode_info *pipe = filp->private_data;
>> - unsigned int head;
>> + unsigned int head, tail;
>> ssize_t ret = 0;
>> size_t total_len = iov_iter_count(from);
>> ssize_t chars;
>> @@ -573,11 +573,13 @@ pipe_write(struct kiocb *iocb, struct io
>> * after waiting we need to re-check whether the pipe
>> * become empty while we dropped the lock.
>> */
>> + tail = pipe->tail;
>> mutex_unlock(&pipe->mutex);
>> if (was_empty)
>> wake_up_interruptible_sync_poll(&pipe->rd_wait, EPOLLIN | EPOLLRDNORM);
>> kill_fasync(&pipe->fasync_readers, SIGIO, POLL_IN);
>> - wait_event_interruptible_exclusive(pipe->wr_wait, pipe_writable(pipe));
>> + wait_event_interruptible_exclusive(pipe->wr_wait,
>> + !READ_ONCE(pipe->readers) || tail != READ_ONCE(pipe->tail));
>
>That could work too for the case highlighted but in case the head too
>has moved by the time the writer wakes up, it'll lead to an extra
>wakeup.
>
Note wakeup can occur even if pipe is full, and more important, taking
the pipe lock after wakeup is the price paid for curing the hang in
question.
* So we still need to wake up any pending writers in the
* _very_ unlikely case that the pipe was full, but we got
* no data.
*/
>Linus' diff seems cleaner and seems to cover all racy scenarios.
>
>> mutex_lock(&pipe->mutex);
>> was_empty = pipe_empty(pipe->head, pipe->tail);
>> wake_next_writer = true;
>> --
>
>--
>Thanks and Regards,
>Prateek
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2025-01-02 14:07 Oleg Nesterov
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2025-01-04 8:42 ` Christian Brauner
2025-01-31 9:49 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-01-31 13:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-31 20:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-02 17:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-02 18:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-02 19:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-04 11:17 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-03 9:05 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-02-04 13:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-24 9:26 ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-24 14:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-24 18:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-25 14:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-25 11:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 5:55 ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-26 11:38 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 17:56 ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-26 18:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-03 13:00 ` Alexey Gladkov
2025-03-03 15:46 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-03 17:18 ` Alexey Gladkov
2025-02-26 13:18 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-26 13:21 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-26 17:16 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-27 16:18 ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-27 16:34 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-27 21:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-28 5:58 ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-02-28 14:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-28 16:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-03 9:46 ` Sapkal, Swapnil
2025-03-03 14:37 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 14:51 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 15:31 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-03 17:54 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-03 18:33 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 18:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-03 19:06 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-03-03 20:27 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-03 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04 5:31 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04 6:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04 12:54 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04 13:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04 22:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-05 4:40 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-05 4:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-04 13:51 ` [PATCH] fs/pipe: Read pipe->{head,tail} atomically outside pipe->mutex K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04 18:36 ` Alexey Gladkov
2025-03-04 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-05 15:31 ` [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-05 16:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06 9:48 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-06 14:42 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-05 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06 8:35 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-06 17:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06 9:28 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-06 11:39 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] pipe: Convert pipe->{head,tail} to unsigned short K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 11:39 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] fs/pipe: Limit the slots in pipe_resize_ring() K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 12:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-06 15:26 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 11:39 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] fs/splice: Atomically read pipe->{head,tail} in opipe_prep() K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 11:39 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] treewide: pipe: Convert all references to pipe->{head,tail,max_usage,ring_size} to unsigned short K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 12:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-06 12:41 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-06 15:33 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-06 18:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-06 14:27 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2025-03-03 18:32 ` [PATCH] pipe_read: don't wake up the writer if the pipe is still full K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04 5:22 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-03 16:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-04 5:06 ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-04 5:35 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-04 10:29 ` Hillf Danton [this message]
2025-03-04 12:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
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2025-03-04 23:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-05 4:56 ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-05 11:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-05 22:46 ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-06 9:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07 6:08 ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-07 6:24 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-07 10:46 ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-07 11:29 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07 12:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-07 23:56 ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-09 14:01 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-09 17:02 ` Oleg Nesterov
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2025-03-10 11:09 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-10 11:37 ` Hillf Danton
2025-03-10 12:43 ` Oleg Nesterov
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