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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	yury.norov@gmail.com, maddy@linux.ibm.com, vschneid@redhat.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	jstultz@google.com, kprateek.nayak@amd.com,
	huschle@linux.ibm.com, srikar@linux.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] sched: cpu parked and push current task mechanism
Date: Tue, 27 May 2025 17:10:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250527151020.GV24938@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250523181448.3777233-1-sshegde@linux.ibm.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 11:44:43PM +0530, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
> In a para-virtualised environment, there could be multiple
> overcommitted VMs. i.e sum of virtual CPUs(vCPU) > physical CPU(pCPU). 
> When all such VMs request for cpu cycles at the same, it is not possible
> to serve all of them. This leads to VM level preemptions and hence the
> steal time. 
> 
> Bring the notion of CPU parked state which implies underlying pCPU may
> not be available for use at this time. This means it is better to avoid
> this vCPU. So when a CPU is marked as parked, one should vacate it as
> soon as it can. So it is going to dynamic at runtime and can change
> often.

You've lost me here already. Why would pCPU not be available? Simply
because it is running another vCPU? I would say this means the pCPU is
available, its just doing something else.

Not available to me means it is going offline or something like that.

> In general, task level preemption(driven by VM) is less expensive than VM
> level preemption(driven by hypervisor). So pack to less CPUs helps to
> improve the overall workload throughput/latency. 

This seems to suggest you're 'parking' vCPUs, while above you seemed to
suggest pCPU. More confusion.

> cpu parking and need for cpu parking has been explained here as well [1]. Much
> of the context explained in the cover letter there applies to this
> problem context as well. 
> [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250512115325.30022-1-huschle@linux.ibm.com/

Yeah, totally not following any of that either :/


Mostly I have only confusion and no idea what you're actually wanting to
do.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-05-27 15:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-23 18:14 Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-23 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] cpumask: Introduce cpu parked mask Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-27 15:06   ` Yury Norov
2025-06-23  8:10     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-23 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] sched/core: Don't use parked cpu for selection Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-27 14:59   ` Yury Norov
2025-05-27 17:35     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-23 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] sched/fair: Don't use parked cpu for load balancing Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-23 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] sched/core: Push current task when cpu is parked Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-23 18:14 ` [DEBUG PATCH 5/5] powerpc: Use manual hint for cpu parking Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-27 15:10 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-05-27 15:47   ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] sched: cpu parked and push current task mechanism Yury Norov
2025-05-27 17:30     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-06-02  4:25       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-06-02 14:22       ` Tobias Huschle

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