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From: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
To: Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	maddy@linux.ibm.com, vschneid@redhat.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	jstultz@google.com, kprateek.nayak@amd.com,
	huschle@linux.ibm.com, srikar@linux.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] sched: cpu parked and push current task mechanism
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2025 09:55:27 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <27865aa8-71b9-4ddc-b3be-312e4ac3814a@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6f122cf-daf4-4e31-af42-4f12761aa1da@linux.ibm.com>



Hi.

> 
> ----------------------------
> 
> vCPU - Virtual CPUs - CPU in VM world.
> pCPU - Physical CPUs - CPU in baremetal world.
> 
> A hypervisor is managing these vCPUs from different VMs. When a vCPU 
> requests for CPU, hypervisor does the job
> of scheduling them on a pCPU.
> 
> So this issue occurs when there are more vCPUs(combined across all VMs) 
> than the pCPU. So when *all* vCPUs are
> requesting for CPUs, hypervisor can only run a few of them and remaining 
> will be preempted(waiting for pCPU).
> 
> 
> If we take two VM's, When hypervisor preempts vCPU from VM1 to run vCPU 
> from VM2, it has to do
> save/restore VM context.Instead if VM's can co-ordinate among each other 
> and request for *limited*  vCPUs,
> it avoids the above overhead and there is context switching within 
> vCPU(less expensive). Even if hypervisor
> is preempting one vCPU to run another withing the same VM, it is still 
> more expensive than the task preemption within
> the vCPU. So *basic* aim to avoid vCPU preemption.
> 
> 
> So to achieve this, use this parking(we need better name for sure) 
> concept, where it is better
> if workloads avoid some vCPUs at this moment. (vCPUs stays online, we 
> don't want the overhead of sched domain rebuild).
> 
> 
> contention is dynamic in nature. When there is contention for pCPU is to 
> be detected and determined
> by architecture. Archs needs to update the mask regularly.
> 
> When there is contention, use limited vCPUs as indicated by arch.
> When there is no contention, use all vCPUs.
> 

I hope this helped to set the problem context. I am trying to get feedback if the approach makes sense.
I will go through other push mechanism we have (example in rt/dl).

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-02  4:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-23 18:14 Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-23 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] cpumask: Introduce cpu parked mask Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-27 15:06   ` Yury Norov
2025-06-23  8:10     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-23 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] sched/core: Don't use parked cpu for selection Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-27 14:59   ` Yury Norov
2025-05-27 17:35     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-23 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] sched/fair: Don't use parked cpu for load balancing Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-23 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] sched/core: Push current task when cpu is parked Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-23 18:14 ` [DEBUG PATCH 5/5] powerpc: Use manual hint for cpu parking Shrikanth Hegde
2025-05-27 15:10 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] sched: cpu parked and push current task mechanism Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-27 15:47   ` Yury Norov
2025-05-27 17:30     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-06-02  4:25       ` Shrikanth Hegde [this message]
2025-06-02 14:22       ` Tobias Huschle

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