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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] mm/gup: remove (VM_)BUG_ONs
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2025 10:42:14 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250607134214.GA158671@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e5e88da7-d7c5-4a10-9318-76c1e38dd0a6@lucifer.local>

On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 08:03:15PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 07:46:52PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 03:42:12PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 08:23:25PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > > > One last data point: I've often logged onto systems that were running
> > > > > long enough that the dmesg had long since rolled over. And this makes
> > > > > the WARN_ON_ONCE() items disappear.
> > > >
> > > > I think what would be *really* helpful would be quick access to the very
> > > > first warning that triggered. At least that's what I usually dig for ... :)
> > >
> > > That's basically my point, it doesn't make sense to expose two APIs to
> > > developers with a choice like this. The WARN_ON infrastructure should
> > > deal with it consistently, maybe even configurable by the admin.
> > >
> > > Keeping the first warn in a buffer is definately a good option.
> > >
> > > Otherwise how is the patch author supposed to decide which API to
> > > call in each case?
> > >
> > > Jason
> >
> > To clarify - are we talking the first instance of a specific warning, or
> > the first warning in general?
> 
> OK sorry I'm being dumb, it is -per warning- reading the thread :P
> 
> So I guess you would have the macro establish a static buffer for each instance,
> and then some interface for gathering those up and outputting them?

Honestly, that seems unnecessary, just a single buffer for the first
global warning. Maybe with a 1 min rate limit for replacement or
something.

The kernel doesn't run around spewing warnings as a general rule.

> And I guess we'd not want a new interface for this like WARN_ON_ONCE_STORED()
> because that'd be... weird and how would anyone think to use that and nearly all
> cases wouldn't.

No! Delete WARN_ON_ONCE and say the new global mechanism is good
enough to capture the first WARN_ON, everyone always uses it always
and then nobody needs to think about this anymore when writing new
code.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-07 13:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-04 14:05 David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 14:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-04 14:26   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-06-04 14:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 14:58   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 15:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 15:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-06-04 16:05     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 15:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04 16:01   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 17:25 ` SeongJae Park
2025-06-04 19:12 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-06-04 19:16   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05  1:07 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-05  5:37   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-05  6:08     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05  8:48       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-05 12:29         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05  7:10 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06  8:10   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06  8:31     ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06  9:01       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 10:13         ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 10:19           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 10:28             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 11:04               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 11:44                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 11:56                   ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 12:12                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 12:17                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 17:57                 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:06                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 18:15                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:21                       ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:23                         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:31                           ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:36                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:39                               ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:34                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 18:42                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-06 18:46                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 19:03                               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-07 13:42                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-06-07 13:53                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-07 18:00                                     ` John Hubbard
2025-06-09  9:57                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 10:54                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 10:56                                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 17:27                                             ` John Hubbard
2025-06-11  9:32                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-11 12:03                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-11 12:06                                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 10:28             ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 10:27           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06  8:12 ` David Hildenbrand

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