From: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] fs: Add O_DENY_WRITE
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2025 13:03:09 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250824.Ujoh8unahy5a@digikod.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez1XjUdcFztc_pF2qcoLi7xvfpJ224Ypc=FoGi-Px-qyZw@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 09:45:32PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 7:08 PM Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
> > Add a new O_DENY_WRITE flag usable at open time and on opened file (e.g.
> > passed file descriptors). This changes the state of the opened file by
> > making it read-only until it is closed. The main use case is for script
> > interpreters to get the guarantee that script' content cannot be altered
> > while being read and interpreted. This is useful for generic distros
> > that may not have a write-xor-execute policy. See commit a5874fde3c08
> > ("exec: Add a new AT_EXECVE_CHECK flag to execveat(2)")
> >
> > Both execve(2) and the IOCTL to enable fsverity can already set this
> > property on files with deny_write_access(). This new O_DENY_WRITE make
>
> The kernel actually tried to get rid of this behavior on execve() in
> commit 2a010c41285345da60cece35575b4e0af7e7bf44.; but sadly that had
> to be reverted in commit 3b832035387ff508fdcf0fba66701afc78f79e3d
> because it broke userspace assumptions.
Oh, good to know.
>
> > it widely available. This is similar to what other OSs may provide
> > e.g., opening a file with only FILE_SHARE_READ on Windows.
>
> We used to have the analogous mmap() flag MAP_DENYWRITE, and that was
> removed for security reasons; as
> https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/mmap.2.html says:
>
> | MAP_DENYWRITE
> | This flag is ignored. (Long ago—Linux 2.0 and earlier—it
> | signaled that attempts to write to the underlying file
> | should fail with ETXTBSY. But this was a source of denial-
> | of-service attacks.)"
>
> It seems to me that the same issue applies to your patch - it would
> allow unprivileged processes to essentially lock files such that other
> processes can't write to them anymore. This might allow unprivileged
> users to prevent root from updating config files or stuff like that if
> they're updated in-place.
Yes, I agree, but since it is the case for executed files I though it
was worth starting a discussion on this topic. This new flag could be
restricted to executable files, but we should avoid system-wide locks
like this. I'm not sure how Windows handle these issues though.
Anyway, we should rely on the access control policy to control write and
execute access in a consistent way (e.g. write-xor-execute). Thanks for
the references and the background!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-24 11:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-22 17:07 [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] Add O_DENY_WRITE (complement AT_EXECVE_CHECK) Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-22 17:07 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] fs: Add O_DENY_WRITE Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-22 19:45 ` Jann Horn
2025-08-24 11:03 ` Mickaël Salaün [this message]
2025-08-24 18:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-25 9:31 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-25 9:39 ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-26 12:35 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-25 16:43 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-25 18:10 ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-25 17:57 ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-26 12:39 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 20:29 ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-27 8:19 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-28 20:17 ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-27 10:18 ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-27 10:29 ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-22 17:08 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/2] selftests/exec: Add O_DENY_WRITE tests Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 9:07 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] Add O_DENY_WRITE (complement AT_EXECVE_CHECK) Christian Brauner
2025-08-26 11:23 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 12:30 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-26 17:47 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 20:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-27 8:19 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-27 17:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-27 19:07 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-27 20:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-28 0:14 ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-28 0:32 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-28 0:52 ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-28 21:01 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-09-01 11:05 ` Jann Horn
2025-09-01 13:18 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-09-01 16:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-09-01 9:24 ` Roberto Sassu
2025-09-01 16:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-09-01 17:01 ` Roberto Sassu
2025-09-02 8:57 ` Roberto Sassu
2025-08-25 21:56 [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] fs: Add O_DENY_WRITE Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-25 23:06 ` Jeff Xu
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