From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Li RongQing <lirongqing@baidu.com>,
Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] seqlock: introduce scoped_seqlock_read() and scoped_seqlock_read_irqsave()
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2025 01:20:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251009232008.GM1386988@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251009221242.GX3419281@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 12:12:42AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 09, 2025 at 01:24:51PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 at 13:12, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Slightly nicer version that's actually compiled :-)
> >
> > I assume that "target of ss_lockless" is an intentional extension to
> > just make the loop never take a lock at all?
>
> Yep. Almost came for free, so might as well do it.
>
> > I do like it, but I think you'll find that having a separate 'seq' and
> > 'flags' like this:
> >
> > > +struct ss_tmp {
> > > + enum ss_state state;
> > > + int seq;
> > > + unsigned long flags;
> > > + spinlock_t *lock;
> > > +};
> >
> > makes it unnecessarily waste a register.
> >
> > You never need both seq and flags at the same time, since if you take
> > the spinlock the sequence number is pointless.
> >
> > So please make that a union, and I think it will help avoid wasting a
> > register in the loop.
>
> Sure; otoh compiler should be able to tell the same using liveness
> analysis I suppose, but perhaps they're not *that* clever.
The moment I use a union gcc-14 creates the whole structure on the
stack, while without the union it mostly manages to keep the things
in registers without too much spilling.
Also, there's a rather silly bug in the code, the __cleanup function
looks at ->state to determine which spin_unlock variant to pick, but
->state will be ss_done. Additionally, when someone does 'break' or
'goto' out of the scope the state isn't reliably anyway.
The sanest code gen happens when I do:
struct ss_tmp {
enum ss_state state;
int seq;
unsigned long flags;
spinlock_t *lock;
spinlock_t *lock_irqsave;
}
static inline void __scoped_seqlock_cleanup(struct ss_tmp *sst)
{
if (sst->lock)
spin_unlock(sst->lock);
if (sst->lock_irqsave)
spin_unlock_irqrestore(sst->lock, sst->flags);
}
liveness analysis seems to work well, and it is able to determine which
fields are active and only track those in registers and utterly discard
the rest. Specifically in the thread_group_cputime code, there are only
_raw_spin_lock_irqsave and _raw_spin_unlock_irqrestore calls left, all
the other stuff is just optimized out.
I'll look what clang does ... but that's really tomorrow, or rather,
somewhat later this morning :/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-09 23:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-28 16:19 [PATCH 0/1] documentation: seqlock: fix the wrong documentation of read_seqbegin_or_lock/need_seqretry Oleg Nesterov
2025-09-28 16:20 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-01 18:21 ` Waiman Long
2025-10-01 19:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-01 19:24 ` Waiman Long
2025-10-01 19:34 ` Waiman Long
2025-10-02 11:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-21 10:35 ` [tip: locking/core] " tip-bot2 for Oleg Nesterov
2025-09-28 16:20 ` [RFC 2/1] seqlock: make the read_seqbegin_or_lock() API more simple and less error-prone ? Oleg Nesterov
2025-09-29 0:41 ` [????] " Li,Rongqing
2025-09-29 6:47 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-01 13:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-01 13:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-01 13:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-02 12:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-09-30 22:09 ` David Howells
2025-10-01 11:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-05 14:47 ` [PATCH 0/5] seqlock: introduce SEQLOCK_READ_SECTION() Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-05 14:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-05 14:50 ` [PATCH 1/5] " Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-05 15:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-05 16:07 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-05 16:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-05 14:50 ` [PATCH 2/5] seqlock: change thread_group_cputime() to use SEQLOCK_READ_SECTION() Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-05 14:50 ` [PATCH 3/5] seqlock: change do_task_stat() " Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-05 14:50 ` [PATCH 4/5] seqlock: change do_io_accounting() " Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-05 14:50 ` [PATCH 5/5] seqlock: change __dentry_path() to use __SEQLOCK_READ_SECTION() Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-05 15:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-05 15:30 ` [PATCH 0/5] seqlock: introduce SEQLOCK_READ_SECTION() Al Viro
2025-10-05 17:40 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-07 14:20 ` [PATCH 0/4] seqlock: introduce scoped_seqlock_read() and scoped_seqlock_read_irqsave() Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 1/4] " Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-07 16:35 ` Waiman Long
2025-10-07 17:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-07 17:21 ` Waiman Long
2025-10-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 2/4] seqlock: change thread_group_cputime() to use scoped_seqlock_read_irqsave() Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 3/4] seqlock: change do_task_stat() " Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 4/4] seqlock: change do_io_accounting() " Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-07 15:38 ` [PATCH 0/4] seqlock: introduce scoped_seqlock_read() and scoped_seqlock_read_irqsave() Linus Torvalds
2025-10-07 16:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-08 12:30 ` [PATCH v2 " Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-08 12:30 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] " Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-08 12:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-08 12:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-08 13:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-08 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-08 16:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-09 5:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-09 7:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-09 14:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-09 16:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-09 19:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-09 20:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-09 20:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-09 22:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-09 22:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-10 8:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-10 12:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-10 13:14 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-13 9:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-13 11:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-10 15:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-09 23:20 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-10-09 23:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-21 10:35 ` [tip: locking/core] seqlock: Introduce scoped_seqlock_read() tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-08 12:30 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] seqlock: change thread_group_cputime() to use scoped_seqlock_read_irqsave() Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-21 10:35 ` [tip: locking/core] seqlock: Change thread_group_cputime() to use scoped_seqlock_read() tip-bot2 for Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-08 12:30 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] seqlock: change do_task_stat() to use scoped_seqlock_read_irqsave() Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-21 10:35 ` [tip: locking/core] seqlock: Change do_task_stat() to use scoped_seqlock_read() tip-bot2 for Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-08 12:31 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] seqlock: change do_io_accounting() to use scoped_seqlock_read_irqsave() Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-21 10:35 ` [tip: locking/core] seqlock: Change do_io_accounting() to use scoped_seqlock_read() tip-bot2 for Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-08 12:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] seqlock: introduce scoped_seqlock_read() and scoped_seqlock_read_irqsave() Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-08 13:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-10-08 13:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
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