From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
arighi@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] sched/deadline: Avoid dl_server boosting with expired deadline
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 12:24:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251111112456.GB1421687@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251111111716.GL278048@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 12:17:17PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 10:58:51AM +0100, Gabriele Monaco wrote:
>
> > Is there a reason why dl_server_stop() doesn't reset the running flag?
>
> Yes. Suppose we're boosting a task, and that task has a small sleep
> (mutex or whatever). The dl_server won't have anything to actually boost
> and will stop itself, clearing running (if dl_server_stop() were to
> clear running).
>
> Then if the initial fair task wakes up again, we'll (re)start the
> dl_server, but since !running, it will go do the whole defer/zero-laxity
> thing again, making out task wait for a whole period until it can run
> again.
>
> Conversely (dl_server_stop(), like now, does *not* clear running), if
> running is retained, the dl_server is able to immediately resume its
> still valid runtime.
>
> Put otherwise, a fair task that always runs and a fair task that has
> micro-sleeps should more or less behave the same. We should not punish a
> micro-sleep with a whole second delay.
>
> Now, if the sleep is long, we'll find the deadline is in the past and
> then it pushes the activation forward and we go ... Oooh to E.
Ah, no, replenlish_dl_new_period() sets defer_armed = 1, so
start_dl_timer() from enqueue_dl_entity() will end up in zero-laxity
wait.
Damn, so much notes and I still get it wrong :-(
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-11 11:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-07 12:29 Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-14 9:30 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-14 9:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-14 10:05 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-14 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-14 15:32 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-14 16:01 ` Juri Lelli
2025-10-14 19:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 5:40 ` Juri Lelli
2025-10-20 14:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-22 10:11 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-30 18:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-31 13:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-31 13:24 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-31 15:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-31 15:41 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-31 15:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-31 15:51 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-01 0:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-11 9:58 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-11 11:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-11 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-11-11 11:37 ` [tip: sched/core] sched/deadline: Fix dl_server stop condition tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-01 0:08 ` [RFC PATCH] sched/deadline: Avoid dl_server boosting with expired deadline Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-01 8:43 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-11 11:37 ` [tip: sched/core] sched/deadline: Fix dl_server time accounting tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
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