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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
Cc: Vishal Chourasia <vishalc@linux.ibm.com>,
	"rcu@vger.kernel.org" <rcu@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"paulmck@kernel.org" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	"frederic@kernel.org" <frederic@kernel.org>,
	"neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org" <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
	"josh@joshtriplett.org" <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	"boqun.feng@gmail.com" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"urezki@gmail.com" <urezki@gmail.com>,
	"rostedt@goodmis.org" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"sshegde@linux.ibm.com" <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	"srikar@linux.ibm.com" <srikar@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cpuhp: Expedite synchronize_rcu during CPU hotplug operations
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:23:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260112142350.GM830755@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <804E7B47-F515-4592-B12E-84AD251EB07D@nvidia.com>

On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 02:20:44PM +0000, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Jan 12, 2026, at 9:03 AM, Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 12, 2026, at 4:44 AM, Vishal Chourasia <vishalc@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Bulk CPU hotplug operations—such as switching SMT modes across all
> >> cores—require hotplugging multiple CPUs in rapid succession. On large
> >> systems, this process takes significant time, increasing as the number
> >> of CPUs grows, leading to substantial delays on high-core-count
> >> machines. Analysis [1] reveals that the majority of this time is spent
> >> waiting for synchronize_rcu().
> >> 
> >> Expedite synchronize_rcu() during the hotplug path to accelerate the
> >> operation. Since CPU hotplug is a user-initiated administrative task,
> >> it should complete as quickly as possible.
> > 
> > When does the user initiate this in your system?
> > 
> > Hotplug should not be happening that often to begin with, it is a slow path that
> > depends on the disruptive stop-machine mechanism.
> > 
> >> 
> >> Performance data on a PPC64 system with 400 CPUs:
> >> 
> >> + ppc64_cpu --smt=1 (SMT8 to SMT1)
> >> Before: real 1m14.792s
> >> After:  real 0m03.205s  # ~23x improvement
> >> 
> >> + ppc64_cpu --smt=8 (SMT1 to SMT8)
> >> Before: real 2m27.695s
> >> After:  real 0m02.510s  # ~58x improvement
> > 
> > This does look compelling but, Could you provide more information about how this was tested - what does the ppc binary do (how many hot plugs , how does the performance change with cycle count etc)?
> > 
> > Can you also run rcutorture testing? Some of the scenarios like TREE03 stress hotplug.
> 
> Also, why not just use the expedite api at the callsite that is slow
> than blanket expediting everything between hotplug lock and unlock.
> That is more specific fix than this fix which applies more broadly to
> all operations. It appears the report you provided does provide the
> culprit callsite.

Because hotplug is not a fast path; there is no expectation of
performance here.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-12 14:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-12  9:43 Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-12 10:08 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 10:43   ` Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-12 11:07     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 12:02   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-12 12:57     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 16:09       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-12 16:48         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-12 17:05           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 18:27             ` Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-13  0:03               ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-12 22:24           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-13  0:01             ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-13  2:46               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-13  4:53                 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-13  8:57                   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-14  4:00                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-14  8:54                       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-16 19:02                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-14  3:59                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-12 17:09         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 17:36           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-13 12:18             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-13 12:44               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-13 14:17                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-13 14:32                   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-13 14:53                     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-13 18:17                       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-13 17:58                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 12:21 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-12 12:46   ` Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-12 14:03 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-12 14:20   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-12 14:23     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-01-12 14:37       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-12 17:52         ` Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-12 14:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-12 18:00   ` Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-13  9:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-19 10:47       ` [PATCH] cpuhp: Expedite synchronize_rcu during SMT switch Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-19 11:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-19 13:45           ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-19 14:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-19 14:45               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-19 14:59                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-27 17:48           ` Samir M
2026-01-29  7:05             ` Samir M
2026-02-03  6:31             ` Samir M
2026-01-19 10:54       ` [RESEND] " Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-18 11:38 ` [PATCH] cpuhp: Expedite synchronize_rcu during CPU hotplug operations Samir M
2026-01-19  5:18   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-19 13:53     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-19 21:10       ` joelagnelf
2026-02-02  8:46     ` Vishal Chourasia

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