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From: Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com>
To: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Tim C Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>, Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	ricardo.neri@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guitto@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] sched: Fix cluster scheduling in the presence of asymmetric capacity
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2026 20:28:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260610032808.GA30647@ranerica-svr.sc.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1a736798-bc11-4edf-aa03-6e2620e8e438@arm.com>

On Tue, Jun 09, 2026 at 09:09:25PM +0100, Christian Loehle wrote:
> On 6/9/26 04:19, Ricardo Neri wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 08, 2026 at 06:37:41PM +0100, Christian Loehle wrote:
> >> On 6/8/26 13:57, Ricardo Neri wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> This is v4 of the series. The most important change in this version is a
> >>> pre-work patch to fix a bug that surfaced after the SMT-aware asymmetric
> >>> CPU capacity patchset from Andrea and Prateek [1] was applied. This led me
> >>> to do more testing. Please read the changelog for details.
> >>>
> >>> Cluster scheduling aims to maximize performance by spreading load across
> >>> clusters of CPUs that share mid-level resources [2]. It works well on
> >>> uniform systems, but it breaks down on topologies with big and small
> >>> cores arranged in clusters. As a result, it fails on several generations
> >>> of Intel processors already shipped and upcoming.
> >>>
> >>> Consider the topology below of big (B) cores and clusters of small (s)
> >>> cores.
> >>>          ------   ------
> >>>          | B  |   | B  |   -----------------   -----------------
> >>>          |    |   |    |   | s | s | s | s |   | s | s | s | s |
> >>>          ------   ------   -----------------   -----------------
> >>>          | L2 |   | L2 |   |      L2       |   |       L2      |
> >>>          -------------------------------------------------------
> >>>          |                          L3                         |
> >>>          -------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> On a partially busy system (one with idle CPUs; busy CPUs have one task
> >>> each), scheduling for asymmetric capacity ensures that misfit tasks land on
> >>> the big CPUs. The remaining tasks, misfit or not, run on the small CPUs.
> >>> When CONFIG_SCHED_CLUSTER is enabled, these remaining tasks are supposed to
> >>> be evenly spread among the small-CPU clusters. Today, this does not
> >>> happen.
> >>>
> >>> Several issues in the load balancer prevent a small CPU in one cluster
> >>> from pulling tasks from another:
> >>>
> >>>  a) update_sd_pick_busiest() may select a fully_busy group with higher
> >>>     per-CPU capacity as the busiest, preventing a subsequent fully_busy
> >>>     group of equal capacity from being correctly selected.
> >>>  b) Misfit-load statistics are used to identify tasks that would benefit
> >>>     from migrating to bigger CPUs. Accounting misfit load is pointless if
> >>>     the destination CPU is equally small, and it also blocks balancing
> >>>     between clusters.
> >>>  c) Due to b), groups that are truly has_spare or fully_busy get
> >>>     misclassified as misfit_task. update_sd_pick_busiest() then skips
> >>>     them, since a small destination CPU cannot help with misfit tasks.
> >>>  d) Once a busiest group has been identified, sched_balance_find_src_rq()
> >>>     will refuse to migrate tasks to CPUs of equal capacity, even when
> >>>     doing so is precisely what is required to balance small-CPU clusters.
> >>>  e) The SD_PREFER_SIBLING flag is missing from scheduling domains with
> >>>     asymmetric capacity, preventing the balancer from equalizing load
> >>>     across sibling small-core clusters.
> >>>
> >>> Together, these issues prevent cluster-level balancing on systems with
> >>> asymmetric CPU capacity.
> >>>
> >>> This series addresses each problem and restores the intended behavior.
> >>> Details, rationale, and code changes are explained in each patch.
> >>>
> >>> I tested these patches on Alder Lake, which has both SMT Pcores and
> >>> clusters of Ecores. I tested with SMT both disabled and enabled. I also
> >>> tested on Lunar Lake and Panther Lake, which have an Ecore cluster not
> >>> connected to the L3 cache. I repeated the same experiment with
> >>> CONFIG_SCHED_CLUSTER disabled. The load balancer behaves as expected.
> >>>
> >>> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260509180955.1840064-1-arighi@nvidia.com/ [1]
> >>> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20210924085104.44806-1-21cnbao@gmail.com/ [2]
> >>>
> >>> Changes in v4:
> >>>  - Patch 1 (pre-work): Fixed a bug that would block load balancing on SMT
> >>>    cores with more than one busy sibling.
> >>>  - Patch 2 (pre-work): Fixed a bug that would needlessly update
> >>>    sg_overloaded.
> >>>  - Patch 5: Reworked logic using a local variable for improved
> >>>    readability.
> >>>  - Added Reviewed-by tags from Chen Yu, Tim, and Vincent. Thanks!
> >>>  - Link to v3: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260514-rneri-fix-cas-clusters-v3-0-0037869554bd@linux.intel.com
> >>>
> >>> Changes in v3:
> >>>  - Patch 3: Reverted the inverted runtime capacity check. The inverted
> >>>    form resulted in migrations to CPUs of slightly lower capacity. Guarded
> >>>    the check for architectural capacity with the sched_cluster_active
> >>>    static key.
> >>>  - Patch 4: Expanded the patch description to explain the behavior of
> >>>    overloaded groups and low-capacity clusters with spare capacity.
> >>>  - Added Reviewed-by tags from Christian. Thanks!
> >>>  - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260429-rneri-fix-cas-clusters-v2-0-cd787de35cc6@linux.intel.com
> >>>
> >>> Changes in v2:
> >>>  - Patch 1: Rewrote patch description for clarity. Added a note
> >>>    clarifying that SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY and SMT are mutually
> >>>    exclusive. (Tim)
> >>>  - Patch 2: Fixed a bug where the capacity check inadvertently broke
> >>>    the mutual exclusion of the sched_reduced_capacity() path. Keep
> >>>    marking the root domain as overloaded when misfit tasks are present
> >>>    to allow bigger CPUs to help via newly idle balance. (sashiko)
> >>>    Fixed the description to state that capacity_greater() looks for
> >>>    differences of ~5% or more, not 20%. (Christian)
> >>>  - Patch 3: Use arch_scale_cpu_capacity() instead of capacity_of() to
> >>>    ignore runtime capacity variability. Inverted the capacity check.
> >>>    (Christian)
> >>>  - Patch 4: Reworded the patch description for clarity.
> >>>  - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260330-rneri-fix-cas-clusters-v1-0-1e465b6fecb2@linux.intel.com/
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Ricardo Neri (6):
> >>>       sched/fair: Do not skip CPUs of similar capacity with busy SMT siblings
> >>>       sched/fair: Also gate overloaded status update for SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY
> >>>       sched/fair: Check CPU capacity before comparing group types during load balance
> >>>       sched/fair: Skip misfit load accounting when the destination CPU cannot help
> >>>       sched/fair: Allow load balancing between CPUs of identical capacity
> >>>       sched/topology: Do not clear SD_PREFER_SIBLING in domains with clusters
> >>>
> >>>  include/linux/sched/sd_flags.h |  3 ++-
> >>>  kernel/sched/fair.c            | 57 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------
> >>>  kernel/sched/topology.c        | 14 +++++++++--
> >>>  3 files changed, 56 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
> >>> ---
> >>> base-commit: 83313bb25a6ace43b0cb5bde881213e6cfb3b046
> >>> change-id: 20250620-rneri-fix-cas-clusters-bb4287d1e152
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Since I don't really have an arm64 machine that hits the described case just
> >> right, I tested the series on a synthetic arm64 qemu topology with two
> >> equal-capacity little clusters and one 1024 cluster.
> >>
> >> The guest was booted with QEMU virt, 8 CPUs and a custom dtb. The resulting
> >> topology is:
> >> cluster0: CPUs 0-1, cpu_capacity=446
> >> cluster1: CPUs 2-3, cpu_capacity=446
> >> cluster2: CPUs 4-7, cpu_capacity=1024
> >> The dtb describes the clusters with cpu-map. The test kernel was built with
> >> CONFIG_SCHED_CLUSTER enabled.
> >>
> >> I used an rt-app workload with 8 (nr_cpus) SCHED_OTHER tasks.
> >> Each task used the same two phases:
> >> "pinned": {
> >>     "loop": 100,
> >>     "run": 99000,
> >>     "timer": { "ref": "unique", "period": 100000 },
> >>     "cpus": [0, 1, 4, 5, 6, 7]
> >> },
> >> "open": {
> >>     "loop": 100,
> >>     "run": 99000,
> >>     "timer": { "ref": "unique", "period": 100000 },
> >>     "cpus": [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]
> >> }
> >>
> >> The intent is to first force the workload onto cluster0 plus the big cluster,
> >> leaving the second little cluster unused. Then the affinity mask is opened to
> >> all CPUs. If load balancing across equal-capacity clusters works, CPUs 2-3
> >> should receive a meaningful share of the work (instead of only occasional
> >> migrations).
> >>
> >> I counted rt-app sched_switch events per cluster in the open phase. The pass
> >> condition was that cluster1_little receives at least 20% of open-phase rt-app
> >> sched_switch events.
> >>
> >> Results over three runs (for the open phases):
> >>
> >> mainline:
> >> run0: cluster0 5.7%, cluster1 5.7%, big 88.6%  FAIL
> >> run1: cluster0 5.5%, cluster1 6.2%, big 88.3%  FAIL
> >> run2: cluster0 4.3%, cluster1 4.7%, big 91.0%  FAIL
> >>
> >> with this series:
> >> run0: cluster0 38.6%, cluster1 31.4%, big 30.1%  PASS
> >> run1: cluster0 33.2%, cluster1 60.6%, big 6.3%   PASS
> >> run2: cluster0 33.3%, cluster1 60.6%, big 6.1%   PASS
> >>
> >> (The pinned phase behaved as expected in all runs: there were no rt-app
> >> sched_switch samples on CPUs 2-3 before the affinity mask was opened.)
> >>
> >> For the series (patch 1/6 is a different setup, so maybe except for that)
> >> Tested-by: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
> > 
> > Many thanks for your tests! I have two questions: Do you see similar
> > results of you spawn less tasks than nr_cpus? Perhaps with 6 tasks? They
> > should continue to be evenly distributed on same-capacity clusters.
> 
> with 6 tasks:
> 
> pinned phase first timestamp: 1850.75
> open phase first timestamp: 1879.02
> 
> before_open sched_switch samples: 79
>   cpu0: 30
>   cpu1: 8
>   cpu2: 0
>   cpu3: 0
>   cpu4: 9
>   cpu5: 6
>   cpu6: 7
>   cpu7: 19
>   cluster0_little: 38 (48.1%)
>   cluster1_little: 0 (0.0%)
>   cluster2_big:    41 (51.9%)
> 
> after_open sched_switch samples: 899
>   cpu0: 235
>   cpu1: 176
>   cpu2: 225
>   cpu3: 218
>   cpu4: 9
>   cpu5: 18
>   cpu6: 8
>   cpu7: 10
>   cluster0_little: 411 (45.7%)
>   cluster1_little: 443 (49.3%)
>   cluster2_big:    45 (5.0%)
> 
> after_open sched_migrate_task destination clusters:
>   cluster0_little: 380
>   cluster1_little: 408
>   cluster2_big:    6
> 
> 
> runtime evaluation:
> before_open runtime: 169.337475s
>   cluster0_little: 57.503009s (34.0%)
>   cluster1_little: 0.000000s (0.0%)
>   cluster2_big:    111.834466s (66.0%)
> 
> after_open runtime: 191.293461s
>   cluster0_little: 27.926735s (14.6%)
>   cluster1_little: 33.729412s (17.6%)
>   cluster2_big:    129.637314s (67.8%)
> 
> after_open little-to-big rt-app migrations: 2
>   1910.977751 rtapp04-4 cpu0 -> cpu7
>   1911.011555 rtapp03-3 cpu2 -> cpu5
> big-cluster rtapp_task:end count: 6
>   first: 1910.975772 last: 1913.225910
> 
> 
> FWIW I also mirrored the pinned phase (so pinned to cluster1 first):
> 
> switch-count evaluation:
> pinned phase first timestamp: 1469.11
> open phase first timestamp: 1498.6
> 
> before_open sched_switch samples: 61
>   cpu0: 0
>   cpu1: 0
>   cpu2: 6
>   cpu3: 13
>   cpu4: 24
>   cpu5: 6
>   cpu6: 6
>   cpu7: 6
>   cluster0_little: 0 (0.0%)
>   cluster1_little: 19 (31.1%)
>   cluster2_big:    42 (68.9%)
> 
> after_open sched_switch samples: 883
>   cpu0: 221
>   cpu1: 178
>   cpu2: 226
>   cpu3: 219
>   cpu4: 10
>   cpu5: 7
>   cpu6: 11
>   cpu7: 11
>   cluster0_little: 399 (45.2%)
>   cluster1_little: 445 (50.4%)
>   cluster2_big:    39 (4.4%)
> 
> after_open sched_migrate_task destination clusters:
>   cluster0_little: 370
>   cluster1_little: 403
>   cluster2_big:    8
> 
> runtime evaluation:
> before_open runtime: 171.855925s
>   cluster0_little: 0.000000s (0.0%)
>   cluster1_little: 58.754673s (34.2%)
>   cluster2_big:    113.101252s (65.8%)
> 
> after_open runtime: 189.467864s
>   cluster0_little: 27.279064s (14.4%)
>   cluster1_little: 31.392607s (16.6%)
>   cluster2_big:    130.796193s (69.0%)
> 
> after_open little-to-big rt-app migrations: 3
>   1529.002652 rtapp04-4 cpu0 -> cpu6
>   1529.002902 rtapp02-2 cpu3 -> cpu6
>   1529.778636 rtapp02-2 cpu0 -> cpu7
> big-cluster rtapp_task:end count: 6
>   first: 1529.000465 last: 1533.242563

Thanks for the experiment and the details! The patchset works as expected
AFAICS.

> 
> 
> > 
> > Also, are these high-utilization tasks? If yes, the high-capacity cluster
> > should be fully utilized before any tasks overflow to the lower-capacity
> > clusters.
> 
> Yes, sorry I should've mentioned, the above rt-app tasks will use 99% of the
> capacity of 1024 CPU, so the expected behavior is that all CPUs are used.
> Once the 1024 CPUs finish (as they should finish in ~half the time), tasks
> of any little cluster will be upmigrated to the 1024.
> I did quickly check if that is the case, which it was,

Great! then it seems I didn't break anything.

> but that part is
> definitely more than wonky on qemu (as the capacities are just in the dtb,
> the CPUs are of course vCPUs which behave very noisily and with no correlation
> to the capacity value).

Indeed! :)

      reply	other threads:[~2026-06-10  3:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-08 12:57 Ricardo Neri
2026-06-08 12:57 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] sched/fair: Do not skip CPUs of similar capacity with busy SMT siblings Ricardo Neri
2026-06-08 13:50   ` Christian Loehle
2026-06-10  3:32     ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-09  4:26   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-06-09  6:24     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-06-09  6:29       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-06-10  3:29         ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-08 12:57 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] sched/fair: Also gate overloaded status update for SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY Ricardo Neri
2026-06-08 12:57 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] sched/fair: Check CPU capacity before comparing group types during load balance Ricardo Neri
2026-06-08 12:57 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] sched/fair: Skip misfit load accounting when the destination CPU cannot help Ricardo Neri
2026-06-08 12:57 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] sched/fair: Allow load balancing between CPUs of identical capacity Ricardo Neri
2026-06-08 12:57 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] sched/topology: Do not clear SD_PREFER_SIBLING in domains with clusters Ricardo Neri
2026-06-08 17:37 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] sched: Fix cluster scheduling in the presence of asymmetric capacity Christian Loehle
2026-06-09  3:19   ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-09 20:09     ` Christian Loehle
2026-06-10  3:28       ` Ricardo Neri [this message]

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