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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
	maz@kernel.org, oliver.upton@linux.dev, joey.gouly@arm.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com, joro@8bytes.org,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, qperret@google.com, tabba@google.com,
	vdonnefort@google.com, sebastianene@google.com, keirf@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 23/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Enable nesting
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2026 09:38:31 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260826123831.GA3667628@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ao6puxVSNsLC8aql@google.com>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2026 at 08:54:19AM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2026 at 05:59:50PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > [ ... 129 lines skipped ... ]
> > > +	ret = smmu_attach_stage_2(&target);
> > > +	if (ret)
> > > +		return ret;
> > > +	hyp_spin_lock(&smmu->hw_lock);
> > > +	cur_valid = FIELD_GET(STRTAB_STE_0_V, le64_to_cpu(hyp_ste_ptr->data[0]));
> > > +	target_cfg = FIELD_GET(STRTAB_STE_0_CFG, le64_to_cpu(target.data[0]));
> > > +	target_valid = FIELD_GET(STRTAB_STE_0_V, le64_to_cpu(target.data[0]));
> > > +	if ((cur_valid && !target_valid) ||
> > > +	    (target_cfg == STRTAB_STE_0_CFG_ABORT)) {
> > > +		WRITE_ONCE(hyp_ste_ptr->data[0], target.data[0]);
> > > +		WARN_ON(smmu_send_cmd(smmu, &cfgi_cmd));
> > > +		for (i = 1; i < STRTAB_STE_DWORDS; i++)
> > > +			WRITE_ONCE(hyp_ste_ptr->data[i], target.data[i]);
> > > +	} else {
> > > +		for (i = 1; i < STRTAB_STE_DWORDS; i++)
> > > +			WRITE_ONCE(hyp_ste_ptr->data[i], target.data[i]);
> > > +		WARN_ON(smmu_send_cmd(smmu, &cfgi_cmd));
> > > +		WRITE_ONCE(hyp_ste_ptr->data[0], target.data[0]);
> > > +	}
> > 
> > This doesn't look good enough, a driver can't safe writely to a valid
> > STE in any order like this, and it can't make it non-valid or risk
> > breaking guests. We had this bug in linux already, the hitless STE
> > update in the hypervisor is mandatory for linux guests using PASID.
> 
> This piggy-backs on the kernel algorithm, as described in the comment
> in this patch:
> +       /*
> +        * Summary of each host emulated state vs real HW.
> +        * |    Host    |       HW      |
> +        * ==============================
> +        * |    V=0     |       V=0     |
> +        * |    Abort   |       Abort   |
> +        * |    Bypass  |       S2      |
> +        * |    S1      |       S1+S2   |
> +        *
> +        * For the host, any V=0 transition is not hitless, all other permutations of
> +        * (abort, bypass, S1) transitions are hitless.
> +        * For the HW state, any V=0 transition is not hitless, as all the S2 config is
> +        * always the same (ttbr, vtcr...), all other transitions should be hitless too.
> +        * However, the host is not trusted, which means that any V=0 <=> V=1 transitions
> +        * or any transition to an abort STE we need to enforce writing order of the STE
> +        * dword 0 and add CFGI.
> +        * Otherwise, we write the STE in the opposite order to cover cases from abort
> +        * to S2 or nested.
> +        */
> 
> So this way, the hypervisor doesn't break the STE and keeps the host
> STE transitions hitless.
> 
> Or there is an example that I missed and is broken by this?

If we are exiting S1DSS mode it looks like this clears S1DSS before
changing to S2 only mode? That would be a bug.

There are also gotchas where writing things out of order can make the
STE UNPREDICTABLE that must be avoided too.

We really don't need two versions of this stuf, just use the
programmer we know it is right at this point.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-26 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-15 11:58 [PATCH v7 00/24] KVM: arm64: SMMUv3 driver for pKVM (trap and emulate) Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 01/24] KVM: arm64: Add a generic clock Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 13:48   ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-07-15 14:13     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 14:34       ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 02/24] KVM: arm64: Donate MMIO to the hypervisor Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 17:26   ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-07-15 18:28     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-05 12:47   ` Sebastian Ene
2026-08-05 13:42     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-05 14:57       ` Sebastian Ene
2026-08-05 15:26         ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 03/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Split code with hyp Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 04/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move TLB range invalidation into common code Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 05/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move IDR parsing to common functions Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-25 20:59   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-26  9:44     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-26 12:41       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 06/24] KVM: arm64: iommu: Introduce IOMMU driver infrastructure Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 07/24] KVM: arm64: iommu: Shadow host stage-2 page table Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 17:56   ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-07-15 18:43     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-23 15:29   ` Sebastian Ene
2026-07-24  7:29     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 08/24] KVM: arm64: iommu: Add memory pool Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 09/24] KVM: arm64: iommu: Support DABT for IOMMU Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 10/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add SMMUv3 driver Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 11/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add the kernel driver Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 12/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Probe SMMU HW Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 13/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add MMIO emulation Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 14/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow the command queue Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-23 14:55   ` Sebastian Ene
2026-07-23 15:15     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 15/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add CMDQ functions Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 16/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Emulate CMDQ for host Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 17/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow stream table Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:58 ` [PATCH v7 18/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow STEs Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:59 ` [PATCH v7 19/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Share other queues Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:59 ` [PATCH v7 20/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Emulate GBPA Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:59 ` [PATCH v7 21/24] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Support io-pgtable-arm in the hypervisor Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:59 ` [PATCH v7 22/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow the CPU stage-2 page table Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-15 11:59 ` [PATCH v7 23/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Enable nesting Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-25 20:59   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-26  8:54     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-26 12:38       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-08-27 10:04         ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-27 11:53           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-15 11:59 ` [PATCH v7 24/24] KVM: arm64: Add documentation for pKVM DMA isolation Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-25 20:59 ` [PATCH v7 00/24] KVM: arm64: SMMUv3 driver for pKVM (trap and emulate) Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-26  8:45   ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-26 12:23     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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