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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: allow shared folios to be promoted to a fast tier
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 18:23:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260917162324.GP4121339@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aqwSBkeP-Df2GBLa@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026 at 12:18:24PM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026 at 06:08:27PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > diff --git a/mm/migrate.c b/mm/migrate.c
> > > index a369d0c95c38..afd9c97d2389 100644
> > > --- a/mm/migrate.c
> > > +++ b/mm/migrate.c
> > > @@ -2697,12 +2697,14 @@ int migrate_misplaced_folio_prepare(struct folio *folio,
> > >  		/*
> > >  		 * Do not migrate file folios that are mapped in multiple
> > >  		 * processes with execute permissions as they are probably
> > > -		 * shared libraries.
> > > +		 * shared libraries, unless this is a promotion from a slow tier.
> > >  		 *
> > >  		 * See folio_maybe_mapped_shared() on possible imprecision
> > >  		 * when we cannot easily detect if a folio is shared.
> > >  		 */
> > > -		if ((vma->vm_flags & VM_EXEC) && folio_maybe_mapped_shared(folio))
> > > +		if ((vma->vm_flags & VM_EXEC) &&
> > > +		    folio_maybe_mapped_shared(folio) &&
> > > +		    (!folio_use_access_time(folio) || !node_is_toptier(node)))
> > >  			return -EACCES;
> > >  
> > 
> > Semi related; I've often wondered if we should still account shared and
> > pinned vmas in the fault statistic, even though we should not migrate
> > them.
> > 
> > After all, those pages are still used and by not accounting them in the
> > fault statistics, it becomes easier to migrate a task away from them.
> >
> 
> I don't have a strong opinion here to be honest, I'm just trying to get
> tiering back on track.  There's some scheduler voodoo there that I will
> happily claim ignorance on, so I just tried to keep things as-is here.

Yeah, fair enough.

> > Using the scanning for two different things has made a mess of things
> > though :/
> 
> This has been my takeaway from this fix as well.
> 
> Honestly I'm starting to think hint faults are a big hammer making up
> for the lack of hardware support for getting this data.
> 
> Would be nice to just have the hardware report what's hot (and how hot)
> rather than depending on a software-heuristic like deriving hotness
> from a page fault.

Yeah, there is/was this patch-set from AMD that uses their IBS counters
for this, but 'ab'-using the performance counters for this also has ick.
PMU data isn't ideal either. Mostly they generate a ton of data that
needs to be analyzed as well. Its not clear cut and easy.

I'm not sure there's been proposals for better hardware support.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-17 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-11  0:18 [PATCH v2 0/4] sched/numa: stop VMA scan filters from gating promotion Gregory Price
2026-09-11  0:18 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: support promotion-only NUMA hinting scans Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-17 16:14     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 12:26       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 12:37   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:46     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 13:56       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11  0:18 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: allow shared folios to be promoted to a fast tier Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-17 16:18     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:23       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-09-17 16:39         ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18  4:14         ` Bharata B Rao
2026-09-17 17:49   ` Zi Yan
2026-09-18 12:54     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 12:53   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:54     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 13:57       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11  0:18 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] sched/numa: scan read-only file mappings in tiering mode Gregory Price
2026-09-18 12:58   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:57     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 13:59       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11  0:18 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] sched/numa: do not let VMA PID activity gate promotion Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-18 13:01   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:59     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-11  5:38 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] sched/numa: stop VMA scan filters from gating promotion Gregory Price
2026-09-17  5:35 ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-17  6:59   ` Gregory Price
2026-09-17 15:53     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)

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