From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: allow shared folios to be promoted to a fast tier
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 18:23:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260917162324.GP4121339@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aqwSBkeP-Df2GBLa@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>
On Thu, Sep 17, 2026 at 12:18:24PM -0400, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026 at 06:08:27PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > diff --git a/mm/migrate.c b/mm/migrate.c
> > > index a369d0c95c38..afd9c97d2389 100644
> > > --- a/mm/migrate.c
> > > +++ b/mm/migrate.c
> > > @@ -2697,12 +2697,14 @@ int migrate_misplaced_folio_prepare(struct folio *folio,
> > > /*
> > > * Do not migrate file folios that are mapped in multiple
> > > * processes with execute permissions as they are probably
> > > - * shared libraries.
> > > + * shared libraries, unless this is a promotion from a slow tier.
> > > *
> > > * See folio_maybe_mapped_shared() on possible imprecision
> > > * when we cannot easily detect if a folio is shared.
> > > */
> > > - if ((vma->vm_flags & VM_EXEC) && folio_maybe_mapped_shared(folio))
> > > + if ((vma->vm_flags & VM_EXEC) &&
> > > + folio_maybe_mapped_shared(folio) &&
> > > + (!folio_use_access_time(folio) || !node_is_toptier(node)))
> > > return -EACCES;
> > >
> >
> > Semi related; I've often wondered if we should still account shared and
> > pinned vmas in the fault statistic, even though we should not migrate
> > them.
> >
> > After all, those pages are still used and by not accounting them in the
> > fault statistics, it becomes easier to migrate a task away from them.
> >
>
> I don't have a strong opinion here to be honest, I'm just trying to get
> tiering back on track. There's some scheduler voodoo there that I will
> happily claim ignorance on, so I just tried to keep things as-is here.
Yeah, fair enough.
> > Using the scanning for two different things has made a mess of things
> > though :/
>
> This has been my takeaway from this fix as well.
>
> Honestly I'm starting to think hint faults are a big hammer making up
> for the lack of hardware support for getting this data.
>
> Would be nice to just have the hardware report what's hot (and how hot)
> rather than depending on a software-heuristic like deriving hotness
> from a page fault.
Yeah, there is/was this patch-set from AMD that uses their IBS counters
for this, but 'ab'-using the performance counters for this also has ick.
PMU data isn't ideal either. Mostly they generate a ton of data that
needs to be analyzed as well. Its not clear cut and easy.
I'm not sure there's been proposals for better hardware support.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-17 16:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-11 0:18 [PATCH v2 0/4] sched/numa: stop VMA scan filters from gating promotion Gregory Price
2026-09-11 0:18 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: support promotion-only NUMA hinting scans Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-17 16:14 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 12:26 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 12:37 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:46 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 13:56 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11 0:18 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: allow shared folios to be promoted to a fast tier Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-17 16:18 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:23 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-09-17 16:39 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 4:14 ` Bharata B Rao
2026-09-17 17:49 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-18 12:54 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 12:53 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:54 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 13:57 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11 0:18 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] sched/numa: scan read-only file mappings in tiering mode Gregory Price
2026-09-18 12:58 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:57 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 13:59 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11 0:18 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] sched/numa: do not let VMA PID activity gate promotion Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-18 13:01 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:59 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-11 5:38 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] sched/numa: stop VMA scan filters from gating promotion Gregory Price
2026-09-17 5:35 ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-17 6:59 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-17 15:53 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
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