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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: support promotion-only NUMA hinting scans
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2026 09:46:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aq08OIJ5mCnDVIfs@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9b5e1573-6fd8-48a5-a274-a6e7ff83d2fe@kernel.org>

On Fri, Sep 18, 2026 at 02:37:52PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> > diff --git a/include/linux/mm.h b/include/linux/mm.h
> > index 969594074fd2..2d1b59a27629 100644
> > --- a/include/linux/mm.h
> > +++ b/include/linux/mm.h
> > @@ -3408,6 +3408,8 @@ int get_cmdline(struct task_struct *task, char *buffer, int buflen);
> >  #define  MM_CP_UFFD_RWP_RESOLVE            (1UL << 5) /* resolve rwp */
> >  #define  MM_CP_UFFD_RWP_ALL                (MM_CP_UFFD_RWP | \
> >  					    MM_CP_UFFD_RWP_RESOLVE)
> > +/* Whether a MM_CP_PROT_NUMA change is for promotion only */
> > +#define  MM_CP_PROT_NUMA_PROMO_ONLY        (1UL << 6)
> 
> BTW, shouldn't we just be using BIT()?
>

I originally had a 5th patch to convert it, but i dropped it while
making multiple attempts to avoid a CP bit at all.

I can add it back to the end of the series if you like.

> > +		promo_only = !(numab_mode & NUMA_BALANCING_NORMAL);
> 
> bool promo_only = !(numab_mode & NUMA_BALANCING_NORMAL);
> 
> 
> and in the later patch
> 
> if (vma_is_ro_file(vma))
> 	promo_only = true;
> 
> ?

Yeah this is confusing, but it is correct.

1) If we're in the code at all, balancing was on at some point.

2) If !NORMAL - then TIERING must have been set - so always true
   (promo_only says: only PROT_NONE low-tier folios)

3) In (NORMAL | TIERING) mode.  promo_only = !NORMAL = false
   (so in numab=3 - we PROT_NONE top-tier folios)

4) But this causes socket-to-socket bouncing when (NORMAL) is set
   so we retain the "no R/O file" filter by checking it and setting
   the promo_only filter back it.

It is, decidedly, quite awful.

But the problem isn't the fix - the introduction of the R/O filter broke
TIERING first.  The problem is that these filters never took both modes
(NORMAL, TIERING) into account in the first place.  They optimized for
NORMAL and broke TIERING.

> 
> Stupid question: why can't/shouldn't change_prot_numa() query
> sysctl_numa_balancing_mode? Why do we have to query this outside of the function
> and forward it?
> 

We need to calculate it anyway for patch #4 to track when the last full
vma scan occurred in numab=3 mode.

We certainly can, but then we calculate it twice in the stack and it can
change out from under us.  I didn't want to have to think about that
split-state problem, so I err'd on the side of calculate-once and do the
whole operation based on that state.

I'll need to pull up some investigation notes, but I also remember there
being a situation where checking it underneath this caused more scanning
work - didn't want to regress anyone. This might be resolved by patch #4.

> I mean, change_prot_numa() gets the vma and can query
> sysctl_numa_balancing_mode. Why not move that into the function and avoid the
> boolean parameter?
> 
> We do have a single change_prot_numa() caller in the tree ...
> 
> >  
> >  			/*
> >  			 * Try to scan sysctl_numa_balancing_size worth of
> > diff --git a/mm/huge_memory.c b/mm/huge_memory.c
> > index 30b7c63b0e35..2f9ada1bbcfc 100644
> > --- a/mm/huge_memory.c
> > +++ b/mm/huge_memory.c
> > @@ -2784,7 +2784,8 @@ int change_huge_pmd(struct mmu_gather *tlb, struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> >  			goto unlock;
> >  
> >  		if (!folio_can_map_prot_numa(pmd_folio(*pmd), vma,
> > -					     vma_is_single_threaded_private(vma)))
> > +					     vma_is_single_threaded_private(vma),
> > +					     cp_flags & MM_CP_PROT_NUMA_PROMO_ONLY))
> 
> As raised, maybe just forward cp_flags
> 

Yeah fair, i'll do that and just add (or eliminate) the
single_threaded_private argument if possible.

~Gregory

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-18 13:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-11  0:18 [PATCH v2 0/4] sched/numa: stop VMA scan filters from gating promotion Gregory Price
2026-09-11  0:18 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: support promotion-only NUMA hinting scans Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-17 16:14     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 12:26       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 12:37   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:46     ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-09-18 13:56       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11  0:18 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: allow shared folios to be promoted to a fast tier Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-17 16:18     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:23       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-17 16:39         ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18  4:14         ` Bharata B Rao
2026-09-17 17:49   ` Zi Yan
2026-09-18 12:54     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 12:53   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:54     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 13:57       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11  0:18 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] sched/numa: scan read-only file mappings in tiering mode Gregory Price
2026-09-18 12:58   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:57     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 13:59       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 14:53         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-18 15:48           ` Gregory Price
2026-09-18 16:19             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-18 16:38               ` Gregory Price
2026-09-11  0:18 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] sched/numa: do not let VMA PID activity gate promotion Gregory Price
2026-09-17 16:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-18 13:01   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:59     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-11  5:38 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] sched/numa: stop VMA scan filters from gating promotion Gregory Price
2026-09-17  5:35 ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-17  6:59   ` Gregory Price
2026-09-17 15:53     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-18 20:56 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-18 21:42   ` Gregory Price

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