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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Mikko Rantalainen <mikko.rantalainen@peda.net>,
	Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, brauner@kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, jack@suse.cz, alx@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/1] close(): stop exposing non-retryable EINTR
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2026 16:17:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260918161741.1d95bd4f@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <lhu5x02vhtk.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com>

On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 14:56:39 +0200
Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com> wrote:

> * Andy Lutomirski:
> 
> > I think I mostly agree with your analysis except that I really don't
> > like the ENOSPC.  The kernel actually has the ability to commit to
> > having space for pending writes on an fd *without syncing*, then I
> > think that capability should be expose to userspace.  fsync is a
> > pretty poor alternative for code that just wants to make sure that, in
> > the absence of a bug, crash or physical failure, the data won't be
> > lost.  
> 
> It's something we might want to call from fflush.
> 
> As a replacement, dup3/close doesn't quite work because it releases
> POSIX advisory locks on the original descriptor (as they are per
> process, not per descriptor).

POSIX advisory locks are completely broken by design.
They just don't work for threaded processes at all.

Thread 1	thread 2	thread 3
open
lock
		open
		close
				open
				lock - succeeds

The same could easily happen if a single threaded process opens
the same file multiple times.

David

> 
> Thanks,
> Florian
> 
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-18 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-13 19:38 Mikko Rantalainen
2026-09-13 19:38 ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] fs: don't return EINTR from close() Mikko Rantalainen
2026-09-13 20:53 ` [RFC PATCH 0/1] close(): stop exposing non-retryable EINTR Rich Felker
2026-09-13 21:27   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-09-14  6:36   ` Mikko Rantalainen
2026-09-14  9:44     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-09-13 22:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-09-13 23:51   ` Rich Felker
2026-09-14  9:38     ` Mikko Rantalainen
2026-09-16 23:16       ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-09-17 10:37         ` Mikko Rantalainen
2026-09-17 17:03           ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-09-17 17:48             ` Rich Felker
2026-09-18 12:56             ` Florian Weimer
2026-09-18 15:17               ` David Laight [this message]
2026-09-14  9:07   ` Mikko Rantalainen
2026-09-14 12:40     ` Mikko Rantalainen

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