From: Matthias Goergens <matthias.goergens@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] mm/swap: reserve swap areas for deliberate offload
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2026 23:19:24 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260928151924.2686290-1-matthias.goergens@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACePvbWM8kMjtJbH4vc6Qt=TBZQ-0d-Yj9NOtkepZmtNN3wd9w@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Chris,
Thanks for resolving the conflicts yourself and reviewing it.
> What is the high-level user-visible impact of this series?
Being able to use more interesting swap backends and logic when the
machine is not under memory pressure. It is much easier to write a
swap backend that may occasionally allocate memory than one that is
guaranteed never to, so today such backends are either unsafe as swap
or ruled out (btrfs, for example, refuses swapfiles that are
copy-on-write, checksummed or compressed).
> I am curious: if we never run out of swap file space on the
> non-offload swap area, does that mean we don't need this patch series?
No: running out of conventional swap isn't the point. Without the
series, any active swap area may be written under pressure, so a
backend that may allocate can't be used as swap at all, however much
conventional swap there is next to it.
> However, direct reclaim can use both types of swap areas.
In v2 it can't: only memory.reclaim, per-node reclaim and MGLRU's
debugfs eviction may write new data to an offload-only area; direct
reclaim, kswapd, MADV_PAGEOUT and DAMON reclaim may not. But I think
your suggestion to flip it round is closer to what I want: mark the
areas whose writes may allocate, and keep pressure reclaim away from
those, rather than tying it to what started the reclaim. I'll work
that into v3, together with Kairui's suggestion to build on the swap
tiers work.
Thanks,
Matthias
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-28 15:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-26 4:55 Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26 4:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] selftests: zram: track owned devices and report cleanup failures Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26 4:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] mm: restrict offload-only swap to proactive reclaim Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26 4:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] selftests: zram: cover offload-only swap policy Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26 4:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] selftests: zram: cover retained offload-only entries Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26 10:16 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] mm/swap: reserve swap areas for deliberate offload Kairui Song
2026-09-28 15:19 ` Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26 23:32 ` Chris Li
2026-09-27 0:03 ` Chris Li
2026-09-27 17:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-09-28 15:24 ` Matthias Goergens
2026-09-28 0:19 ` Chris Li
2026-09-28 15:19 ` Matthias Goergens [this message]
2026-09-29 0:27 ` Chris Li
2026-09-28 5:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-28 15:19 ` Matthias Goergens
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