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From: Matthias Goergens <matthias.goergens@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] mm/swap: reserve swap areas for deliberate offload
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2026 23:19:34 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260928151934.2686418-1-matthias.goergens@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <arn4xOIxFRD8qY_x@infradead.org>

Hi Christoph,

> Either way block devices must be safe to be called from paging paths,
> not just for swap but also for file system based paging.  So this is
> a bug in the implementation, and not something worked around in the
> swap code.

Agreed that a backend used for paging has to make progress under
pressure, and the zvol example was a poor lead.  The series isn't
meant to excuse a backend that can deadlock; that would still be a bug
to fix in the backend.

What I'm after is different: backends that are correct but need
memory to accept a write, where the better policy is to use them for
cold-page offload when memory isn't tight and keep pressure reclaim on
areas that don't need to allocate.  Two in-tree examples: zram
allocates on writes and fails with -ENOMEM, with no fallback, while its
logical size still shows free slots; and filesystem swapfiles must
give up copy-on-write, checksums and compression today, because swap
writes bypass the filesystem.  I'll make that the case for v3 instead.

Thanks,
Matthias

      reply	other threads:[~2026-09-28 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-26  4:55 Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26  4:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] selftests: zram: track owned devices and report cleanup failures Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26  4:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] mm: restrict offload-only swap to proactive reclaim Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26  4:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] selftests: zram: cover offload-only swap policy Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26  4:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] selftests: zram: cover retained offload-only entries Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26 10:16 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] mm/swap: reserve swap areas for deliberate offload Kairui Song
2026-09-28 15:19   ` Matthias Goergens
2026-09-26 23:32 ` Chris Li
2026-09-27  0:03   ` Chris Li
2026-09-27 17:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-09-28 15:24   ` Matthias Goergens
2026-09-28  0:19 ` Chris Li
2026-09-28 15:19   ` Matthias Goergens
2026-09-29  0:27     ` Chris Li
2026-09-28  5:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-28 15:19   ` Matthias Goergens [this message]

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