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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: Hilal Rahmatullah <hilalrahmatullah11@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller"  <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni  <pabeni@redhat.com>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Donald Hunter  <donald.hunter@gmail.com>,
	"open list:NETWORKING [GENERAL]"  <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net v3] wifi: nl80211: document sta-info nested attribute
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2026 13:25:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261002132500.0b71889b@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7fc3e2730ebea674abf750a39c53d6ee307a907e.camel@sipsolutions.net>

On Fri, 02 Oct 2026 19:34:19 +0200 Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Sat, 2026-09-05 at 09:46 +0200, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > On Mon, 2026-08-17 at 08:47 -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:  
>  [...]  
> > > 
> > > Hi Johannes! Should we add this file to wireless in MAINTAINERS?
> > > Or do you prefer for us to handle the YAML stuff directly?  
> > 
> > Not sure, we don't really seem to be using it for all I know, and so
> > it's just been getting some random updates like this, I guess.
> > 
> > I think I tend to prefer the status quo, but I guess I could also just
> > apply patches to it if you prefer.  
> 
> So that's what I said a month ago, but because Jouni prodded me about
> our inconsistent documentation today, I actually looked at converting
> *all* of nl80211.h and our hand-rolled policies to be generated.
> 
> It ... takes some work, and ends up being 12k (!) lines of yaml, vs.
> today's 7.2k of nl80211.h and ~1k policy in nl80211.c.
> 
> It also requires a bunch of changes to the tooling:
> 
>  - kdoc comments for attribute-set enums
>  - exact-len-warn check
>  - validate-fn check support and creating their prototypes
>  - combining min-len/max-len for binary attributes
>  - strict-start-type support
>  - flag to generate the whole attrs without linking them from ops
>    (otherwise we get even many many more lines of yaml)
>  - NLA_NESTED/indexed arrays support
>  - allow nesting the global policy into itself (yeah ... I want some of
>    what we were smoking ;-) )
>  - allowing inheriting different members for kernel policy side
>  - drop nesting when subset overrides type ... not even sure how to
>    explain this right now
>  - option to define only policy, not ops
>  - allow taking ops IDs from an enum, because our ops don't match the
>    ynl ops too well
>  - enum-max-name for definitions to adjust naming
> 
> There's a license issue - we have ISC license on nl80211.h now, but
> Donald and Hilal picked GPL/syscall/BSD-3 for the yaml and of course

That license is required for all netlink specs, FWIW
It's totally my fault if it's wrong, I just didn't want it to be
_just_ GPL since that would propagate to use space code which
we want to be permissive about. The spec is effectively a uAPI
description it should be public domain in my non-layer mind.

> that carries over to the generated .h file, not sure if that's an issue
> for downstream projects but might be with advertising clause? Could we
> change it if I'm adding >10k new lines from nl80211.h? :)
> 
> I can post it but ... is it worth it? Not even sure it would
> significantly simplify our lives, although the generated header file
> with documentation is much more regular in that it always has the type,
> etc. (which is what Jouni was asking about)

Well, I certainly don't care so my choice would be not to have to review
the code gen changes (:

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-02 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-16 10:12 Hilal Rahmatullah
2026-08-17 15:47 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-09-05  7:46   ` Johannes Berg
2026-10-02 17:34     ` Johannes Berg
2026-10-02 20:25       ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2026-10-02 20:30         ` Johannes Berg
2026-08-18 17:07 ` Jakub Kicinski

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