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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
	Qais Yousef <qyousef@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hongyan Xia <hongyan.xia2@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Wei Wang <wvw@google.com>,
	Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Subject: Re: Uclamp races due to non-atomic static_branch_likely updates
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2026 15:34:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261021133430.GP2823843@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261021092136.249e2d19@gandalf.local.home>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2026 at 09:21:36AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:

> > And yeah, its always been the case that jump_labels (and static_branch)
> > updates are non-atomic. Most of them are init time, and don't care.
> > 
> > Now, I'm sure we've ran into this particular problem before, and it
> > always requires care.
> > 


Read this part:

> > Also note that a simple global boolean has the exact same problem.
> > Adding runtime conditionals isn't going to fix this.

again, and then consider your response..

> 
> Another idea for "atomic static branch" is to have two static branches at
> each location. One that switches to a "check this variable and do a normal
> test and branch" and "we are now in sync and can use the original static
> branch".
> 
> Something like:
> 
> 	if (static_branch_unlikely(&foo_use_variable.key)) {
> 		return static_key_enabled(&foo->key);
> 	} else {
> 		if (static_branch_unlikely(&foo->key))
> 			return true;
> 		else
> 			return false;
> 	}
> 
> And then in between updates of foo, the foo_use_variable gets set making
> all the branches use the key, which will be updated "atomically" (maybe
> some memory barriers needs to be added). After the updates of all the
> static keys are complete, the foo_use_variable gets unset.
> 
> The non-atomic portion of "foo_use_variable" is OK because the foo->key
> will match whatever the static_branch version it has.

That simply doesn't work.

Even *IF* memory stores would propagate instantly (they don't) you can
still have the boolean swap while in the middle of this state.

---

B = true;

CPU0			CPU1

 enqueue
   if (B)
     something++;

     			B = false;

 dequeue
   if (B)
     something--;


---

Will still be left with something unbalanced, even if everything is
super duper magically atomic.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-21 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-20 18:53 John Stultz
2026-10-20 19:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-21 11:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-21 13:20     ` Qais Yousef
2026-10-21 13:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-21 14:02         ` Qais Yousef
2026-10-21 13:21     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-21 13:34       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-10-21 13:59         ` Steven Rostedt

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