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From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
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	iommu@lists.linux.dev, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/17] USB: Lock registered interfaces during manual driver binding
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2026 11:23:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261109092304.GC8635@unreal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <647f3199-909d-425f-b485-b598a18844d1@rowland.harvard.edu>

On Sun, Nov 08, 2026 at 11:59:11AM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 08, 2026 at 01:09:09PM +0200, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 03:04:18PM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> > > >  it ensures that the lock is
> > > > acquired when the driver is bound.
> > > 
> > > That may have been your intention when the patch was created, but if you 
> > > read the patch you'll see that it includes a whole bunch of material 
> > > not related to locking during binding.  Namely, this part:
> > 
> > Once I added `device_lock()` to `bind`, I had to add it to `unbind` as well.
> 
> Obviously I'm not making my points clear.  Let me try again.
> 
> The entire patch description, as you wrote it, is this:
> 
> > Interface claims hold the USB device lock, but device_bind_driver()
> > requires the target interface lock. Without it, trust-policy writes  can
> > race admission.
> 
> This says nothing about holding the interface lock during unbinding.  In 
> other words, it isn't a complete description of the patch.  It implies 
> that the patch changes nothing outside the device_bind_driver() 
> function, which isn't true.
> 
> Furthermore, the patch does not change any of the code in 
> usb_driver_release_interface(), which is where unbinding takes place, 
> because that routine already takes the interface lock.  So to say that 
> you had to add device_lock() to `unbind` is not accurate.
> 
> Instead the patch adds a new usb_driver_release_refused_claim() routine, 
> plus code in usb_set_configuration() to call the new routine.  The patch 
> description says nothing about either of these things.  Not to mention 
> the fact that your other changes make it now possible for the driver 
> core to delete an interface claim when the interface is registered, 
> something which was not possible before.  This is another inadequacy in 
> the patch description.
> 
> I'm not saying that any of the code is wrong.  But the description does 
> a very bad job of explaining the new code.

I hope v2 explains this better. I also split the USB patch further.

Thanks

> 
> Alan Stern
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-09  9:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-05 11:42 [PATCH 00/17] driver core: Authorize device trust before " Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 01/17] Input: gameport - attach manual drivers through the driver core Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 02/17] Input: serio " Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 17:05   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-11-05 19:19     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 20:34       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-11-06 14:33         ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 03/17] net: phy: Attach generic PHY " Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 14:50   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-05 18:35     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 15:33   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-05 18:45     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 04/17] wifi: mac80211_hwsim: lock device for manual driver binding Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 05/17] USB: Lock registered interfaces during " Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 17:24   ` Alan Stern
2026-11-05 18:44     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 20:04       ` Alan Stern
2026-11-08 11:09         ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-08 16:59           ` Alan Stern
2026-11-09  9:23             ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 06/17] PNP: Attach card devices through the driver core Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 07/17] cdx: Propagate DMA configuration errors Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 08/17] driver core: Allow userspace to detect EPROBE_DEFER when using sysfs drivers_probe Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 09/17] driver core: Introduce a generic device trust level Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 10/17] driver core: Expose device trust authorization through sysfs Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:10   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 13:27     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:40       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 13:59         ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 14:03           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 14:17             ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 14:26             ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 15:45               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 14:06           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 14:43           ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-05 14:59             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 15:09             ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 13:42       ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 17:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 19:06     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 11/17] driver core: Accept device trust policy on the kernel command line Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 12/17] driver core: Accept device trust policy by driver name Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 13/17] driver core: Preserve trust commitment beyond driver binding Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 14/17] driver core: Add a global initial device trust policy Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 15/17] driver core: Cover trust authorization and binding with KUnit Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 16/17] driver core: Document trust admission and initrd authorization Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 17/17] PCI: Replace untrusted state with device trust Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:12   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 13:18     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:26       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 14:03       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 15:43         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 16:26           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 18:26           ` Leon Romanovsky

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