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From: "Dave Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>
To: "Jon Smirl" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
Cc: "Arjan van de Ven" <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	greg@kroah.com, linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, airlied@linux.ie,
	pjones@redhat.com, akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: Add a "enable" sysfs attribute to the pci devices to allow userspace (Xorg) to enable devices without doing foul direct access
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:36:38 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21d7e9970605021636x48c178fbgeac85726b8223629@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e4733910605021452r3aec1035pa475b701b2c3563c@mail.gmail.com>

>
> So why don't we just build a VGA class driver or make null fbdev
> drivers? That solution works and stays in the model of one driver per
> device and user space using a device driver to control the hardware.
> This is a known problem and we have a valid solution, why build a new
> API perpetuating the old model? If there wasn't a workable alternative
> available I wouldn't be complaining.

We never have had one device driver for graphics devices, it would be
nice yes, it won't be happening today or tomorrow though, I'm trying
for now to remove as much of the evil crap from X as I can *now* so it
works on certain systems.... I am also however trying to not break
current deployments of systems already out there, the enable thing
allows this, without adding the vga class stuff, I know I'm going to
have to sort this merging of DRM and fb out at some stage, but so far
I've falied 3 times and I hate going back to it,

I'm going to have to force Greg to sit down and do some hacking at OLS
this year, no getting away without fully understanding what we need
(guess what the class changes didn't really help :-)

>
> Have you seen this method of getting root from X?
> http://www.cansecwest.com/slides06/csw06-duflot.ppt
> It is referenced from Theo de Raadt interview on kerneltrap
> http://kerneltrap.org/node/6550
>
> I am happy to see progress being made at getting X out of the PCI bus business.

Yes, and it really isn't a surprise, X is evil, but to be honest
fixing X doesn't fix that problem, it does allow you to fix the OS
more than likely though...

Dave.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-02 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-29  8:46 Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-29  8:51 ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-29  8:59   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-29  9:04     ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-02 16:14       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2006-05-02 16:21         ` Greg KH
2006-05-02 16:51           ` Jesse Barnes
2006-05-04 19:09       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2006-05-04 19:11         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-04 19:26           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2006-05-04 19:42             ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-04 20:40               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:05                 ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 21:17                   ` Martin Mares
2006-05-04 21:29                     ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 21:37                       ` Martin Mares
2006-05-04 21:38                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 23:22                         ` Peter Jones
2006-05-05 19:20                           ` Ian Romanick
2006-05-05 20:14                             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 20:26                               ` Greg KH
2006-05-05 20:35                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 20:43                                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 21:10                                     ` Greg KH
2006-05-05 21:06                                   ` Greg KH
2006-05-05 21:15                                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 22:27                                       ` Greg KH
2006-05-06  0:05                                         ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06  1:57                                           ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-06  3:39                                             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06 12:42                                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-06 13:08                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06 18:10                                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-06 18:24                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06 23:16                                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-07  5:56                                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-07 12:05                                                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-07 19:07                                                             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-08  0:03                                                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-07 13:12                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-08 14:26                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-08 14:54                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-08  4:06                                           ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-08  5:27                                             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-07  8:54                                 ` Adam Belay
2006-05-14  0:29                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-05-14  0:56                         ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-14 23:57                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-05-15  0:14                             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-14  0:57                         ` Patrick McFarland
2006-05-14  1:11                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:18                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:38                     ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 21:48                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:57                         ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 22:05                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 19:49             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-15  2:10     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-05-02 16:38 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 16:45   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-02 16:59     ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 17:00       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-02 17:13         ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 18:27           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-02 19:00             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 19:29               ` Peter Jones
2006-05-02 21:40               ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-02 21:52                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 23:36                   ` Dave Airlie [this message]
2006-05-03  0:19                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-05-03  0:26                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-03  1:24                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-03  1:30                       ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-03  6:02                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-03 13:23                     ` Jon Smirl

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