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From: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Ian Romanick <idr@us.ibm.com>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Add a "enable" sysfs attribute to the pci devices to allow userspace (Xorg) to enable devices without doing foul direct access
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:26:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CF99669B-7F47-4290-9F1E-A9585D7CD8D4@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060507131201.GC5765@ucw.cz>

On May 7, 2006, at 09:12:01, Pavel Machek wrote:
>>> It has everything to do with the 'enable' file. The 'enable' file  
>>> lets you change the state of the hardware without an ownership  
>>> mechanism. Other device users will not be notified of the state  
>>> change. Since the other users can't be sure of the state of the  
>>> hardware when they are activated, they will have to reload their  
>>> state into the hardware on every activation.
>>
>> you seem to miss the fact that this can be done now without the  
>> enable flag, setpci can be used to disable the BARs, again the  
>> enable flag doesn't change that....
>
> ...well, when you launch setpci, you are firmly in 'unsupported'  
> land.  While 'enable' sounds like something where users expect it  
> to be supported.

*Especially* since there are a number of users (including myself) who  
have tendencies to go wandering around sysfs tinkering with the  
available values.  Not having seen this thread, I would have had no  
problem doing "echo -n 0 >enable" on some device thinking that it was  
a fairly standard way to turn off the power to my soundcard when I'm  
not using it, and likely result in a kernel panic because I suddenly  
disabled the BARs on the device out from under the driver.

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett


  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-08 14:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-29  8:46 Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-29  8:51 ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-29  8:59   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-29  9:04     ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-02 16:14       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2006-05-02 16:21         ` Greg KH
2006-05-02 16:51           ` Jesse Barnes
2006-05-04 19:09       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2006-05-04 19:11         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-04 19:26           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2006-05-04 19:42             ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-04 20:40               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:05                 ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 21:17                   ` Martin Mares
2006-05-04 21:29                     ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 21:37                       ` Martin Mares
2006-05-04 21:38                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 23:22                         ` Peter Jones
2006-05-05 19:20                           ` Ian Romanick
2006-05-05 20:14                             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 20:26                               ` Greg KH
2006-05-05 20:35                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 20:43                                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 21:10                                     ` Greg KH
2006-05-05 21:06                                   ` Greg KH
2006-05-05 21:15                                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 22:27                                       ` Greg KH
2006-05-06  0:05                                         ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06  1:57                                           ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-06  3:39                                             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06 12:42                                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-06 13:08                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06 18:10                                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-06 18:24                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06 23:16                                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-07  5:56                                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-07 12:05                                                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-07 19:07                                                             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-08  0:03                                                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-07 13:12                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-08 14:26                                               ` Kyle Moffett [this message]
2006-05-08 14:54                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-08  4:06                                           ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-08  5:27                                             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-07  8:54                                 ` Adam Belay
2006-05-14  0:29                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-05-14  0:56                         ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-14 23:57                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-05-15  0:14                             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-14  0:57                         ` Patrick McFarland
2006-05-14  1:11                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:18                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:38                     ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 21:48                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:57                         ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 22:05                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 19:49             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-15  2:10     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-05-02 16:38 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 16:45   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-02 16:59     ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 17:00       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-02 17:13         ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 18:27           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-02 19:00             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 19:29               ` Peter Jones
2006-05-02 21:40               ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-02 21:52                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 23:36                   ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-03  0:19                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-05-03  0:26                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-03  1:24                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-03  1:30                       ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-03  6:02                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-03 13:23                     ` Jon Smirl

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