From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
pbonzini@redhat.com, seanjc@google.com,
dave.hansen@linux.intel.com
Cc: rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, isaku.yamahata@intel.com,
kai.huang@intel.com, yan.y.zhao@intel.com, chao.gao@intel.com,
tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 00/12] TDX: Enable Dynamic PAMT
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2025 12:17:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2537ad07-6e49-401b-9ffa-63a07740db4a@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250609191340.2051741-1-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
On 6/9/25 12:13, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> The exact size of the required PAMT memory is determined by the TDX
> module and may vary between TDX module versions, but currently it is
> approximately 0.4% of the system memory. This is a significant
> commitment, especially if it is not known upfront whether the machine
> will run any TDX guests.
>
> The Dynamic PAMT feature reduces static PAMT allocations. PAMT_1G and
> PAMT_2M levels are still allocated on TDX module initialization, but the
> PAMT_4K level is allocated dynamically, reducing static allocations to
> approximately 0.004% of the system memory.
I'm beginning to think that this series is barking up the wrong tree.
> 18 files changed, 702 insertions(+), 108 deletions(-)
I totally agree that saving 0.4% of memory on a gagillion systems saves
a gagillion dollars.
But this series seems to be marching down the path that the savings
needs to be down at page granularity: If a 2M page doesn't need PAMT
then it strictly shouldn't have any PAMT. While that's certainly a
high-utiltiy tact, I can't help but think it may be over complicated.
What if we just focused on three states:
1. System boots, has no DPAMT.
2. First TD starts up, all DPAMT gets allocated
3. Last TD shuts down, all DPAMT gets freed
The cases that leaves behind are when the system has a small number of
TDs packed into a relatively small number of 2M pages. That occurs
either because they're backing with real huge pages or that they are
backed with 4k and nicely compacted because memory wasn't fragmented.
I know our uberscaler buddies are quite fond of those cases and want to
minimize memory use. But are you folks really going to have that many
systems which deploy a very small number of small TDs?
In other words, can we simplify this? Or at least _start_ simpler with v1?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-08 19:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-09 19:13 Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 01/12] x86/tdx: Consolidate TDX error handling Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-25 17:58 ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-25 20:58 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-25 21:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-25 21:46 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26 9:25 ` kirill.shutemov
2025-06-26 14:46 ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-26 15:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-26 16:59 ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-27 10:42 ` kirill.shutemov
2025-07-30 18:32 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-31 23:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-31 23:46 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-31 23:53 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-01 15:03 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-06 15:19 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-26 0:05 ` Huang, Kai
2025-07-30 18:33 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 02/12] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate page bitmap for Dynamic PAMT Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-25 18:06 ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-26 9:25 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-07-31 1:06 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-31 4:10 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-26 11:08 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-27 10:42 ` kirill.shutemov
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 03/12] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate reference counters for PAMT memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-25 19:26 ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-27 11:27 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-27 14:03 ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-26 0:53 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-26 4:48 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-27 11:35 ` kirill.shutemov
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 04/12] x86/virt/tdx: Add tdx_alloc/free_page() helpers Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-10 2:36 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-10 14:51 ` [PATCHv2.1 " Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-25 18:01 ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-25 20:09 ` [PATCHv2 " Dave Hansen
2025-06-26 0:46 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-25 20:02 ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-27 13:00 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-27 7:49 ` Adrian Hunter
2025-06-27 13:03 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-09-16 0:03 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-16 9:22 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-09-16 17:10 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 05/12] KVM: TDX: Allocate PAMT memory in __tdx_td_init() Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 06/12] KVM: TDX: Allocate PAMT memory in tdx_td_vcpu_init() Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 07/12] KVM: TDX: Preallocate PAMT pages to be used in page fault path Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-26 11:21 ` Huang, Kai
2025-07-10 1:34 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-10 7:49 ` kirill.shutemov
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 08/12] KVM: TDX: Handle PAMT allocation in " Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-12 12:19 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-12 13:05 ` [PATCHv2.1 " Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-25 22:38 ` [PATCHv2 " Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-09 14:29 ` kirill.shutemov
2025-07-10 1:33 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-10 8:45 ` kirill.shutemov
2025-08-21 19:21 ` Sagi Shahar
2025-08-21 19:35 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-21 19:53 ` Sagi Shahar
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 09/12] KVM: TDX: Reclaim PAMT memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 10/12] [NOT-FOR-UPSTREAM] x86/virt/tdx: Account PAMT memory and print it in /proc/meminfo Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 11/12] x86/virt/tdx: Enable Dynamic PAMT Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-09 19:13 ` [PATCHv2 12/12] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX's " Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-25 13:25 ` [PATCHv2 00/12] TDX: Enable " Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-25 22:49 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-27 13:05 ` kirill.shutemov
2025-08-08 23:18 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-11 6:31 ` kas
2025-08-11 22:30 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-12 2:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-12 2:31 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-12 8:04 ` kas
2025-08-12 15:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-12 16:15 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-12 18:39 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-12 22:00 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-12 23:34 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-13 0:18 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-13 0:51 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-12 18:44 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-13 8:09 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-08-13 7:49 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-08-12 8:03 ` kas
2025-08-13 22:43 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-13 23:31 ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-14 0:14 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-14 10:55 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-08-15 1:03 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-20 15:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-20 16:35 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-08 19:17 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2025-09-09 11:16 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-09-09 15:23 ` Dave Hansen
2025-09-10 17:18 ` Vishal Annapurve
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