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* GPU device resource reservations with cgroups?
@ 2022-08-16 20:39 Jeffrey Hugo
  2022-09-08 16:44 ` T.J. Mercier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Jeffrey Hugo @ 2022-08-16 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tj, lizefan.x, cgroups, hannes
  Cc: tjmercier, dri-devel, linux-kernel, Carl Vanderlip,
	quic_ajitpals, quic_pkanojiy

Hello cgroup experts,

I have a GPU device [1] that supports organizing its resources for the 
purposes of supporting containers.  I am attempting to determine how to 
represent this in the upstream kernel, and I wonder if it fits in cgroups.

The device itself has a number of resource types – compute cores, 
memory, bus replicators, semaphores, and dma channels.  Any particular 
workload may consume some set of these resources.  For example, a 
workload may consume two compute cores, 1GB of memory, one dma channel, 
but no semaphores and no bus replicators.

By default all of the resources are in a global pool.  This global pool 
is managed by the device firmware.  Linux makes a request to the 
firmware to load a workload.  The firmware reads the resource 
requirements from the workload itself, and then checks the global pool. 
If the global pool contains sufficient resources to satisfy the needs of 
the workload, the firmware assigns the required resources from the 
global pool to the workload.  If there are insufficient resources, the 
workload request from Linux is rejected.

Some users may want to share the device between multiple containers, but 
provide device level isolation between those containers.  For example, a 
user may have 4 workloads to run, one per container, and each workload 
takes 1/4th of the set of compute cores.  The user would like to reserve 
sets of compute cores for each container so that container X always has 
the expected set of resources available, and if container Y 
malfunctions, it cannot “steal” resources from container X.

To support this, the firmware supports a concept of partitioning.  A 
partition is a pool of resources which are removed from the global pool, 
and pre-assigned to the partition’s pool.  A workload can then be run 
from within a partition, and it consumes resources from that partition’s 
pool instead of from the global pool.  The firmware manages creating 
partitions and assigning resources to them.

Partitions do not nest.

In the above user example, the user can create 4 partitions, and divide 
up the compute cores among them.  Then the user can assign each 
individual container their own individual partition.  Each container 
would be limited to the resources within it’s assigned partition, but 
also that container would have exclusive access to those resources. 
This essentially provides isolation, and some Quality of Service (QoS).

How this is currently implemented (in downstream), is perhaps not ideal. 
  A privileged daemon process reads a configuration file which defines 
the number of partitions, and the set of resources assigned to each. 
That daemon makes requests to the firmware to create the partitions, and 
gets a unique ID for each.  Then the daemon makes a request to the 
driver to create a “shadow device”, which is a child dev node.  The 
driver verifies with the firmware that the partition ID is valid, and 
then creates the dev node.  Internally the driver associates this shadow 
device with the partition ID so that each request to the firmware is 
tagged with the partition ID by the driver.  This tagging allows the 
firmware to determine that a request is targeted for a specific 
partition.  Finally, the shadow device is passed into the container, 
instead of the normal dev node.  The userspace within the container 
operates the shadow device normally.

One concern with the current implementation is that it is possible to 
create a large number of partitions.  Since each partition is 
represented by a shadow device dev node, this can create a large number 
of dev nodes and exhaust the minor number space.

I wonder if this functionality is better represented by a cgroup. 
Instead of creating a dev node for the partition, we can just run the 
container process within the cgroup.  However it doesn’t look like 
cgroups have a concept of resource reservation.  It is just a limit.  If 
that impression is accurate, then I struggle to see how to provide the 
desired isolation as some entity not under the cgroup could consume all 
of the device resources, leaving the containers unable to perform their 
tasks.

So, cgroup experts, does this sound like something that should be 
represented by a cgroup, or is cgroup the wrong mechanism for this usecase?

[1] - 
https://lore.kernel.org/all/1660588956-24027-1-git-send-email-quic_jhugo@quicinc.com/

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* Re: GPU device resource reservations with cgroups?
  2022-08-16 20:39 GPU device resource reservations with cgroups? Jeffrey Hugo
@ 2022-09-08 16:44 ` T.J. Mercier
  2022-09-27 15:13   ` Jeffrey Hugo
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: T.J. Mercier @ 2022-09-08 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jeffrey Hugo
  Cc: Tejun Heo, Zefan Li, cgroups, Johannes Weiner, dri-devel,
	linux-kernel, Carl Vanderlip, quic_ajitpals, quic_pkanojiy

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 1:39 PM Jeffrey Hugo <quic_jhugo@quicinc.com> wrote:
>
> Hello cgroup experts,
>
> I have a GPU device [1] that supports organizing its resources for the
> purposes of supporting containers.  I am attempting to determine how to
> represent this in the upstream kernel, and I wonder if it fits in cgroups.
>
> The device itself has a number of resource types – compute cores,
> memory, bus replicators, semaphores, and dma channels.  Any particular
> workload may consume some set of these resources.  For example, a
> workload may consume two compute cores, 1GB of memory, one dma channel,
> but no semaphores and no bus replicators.
>
> By default all of the resources are in a global pool.  This global pool
> is managed by the device firmware.  Linux makes a request to the
> firmware to load a workload.  The firmware reads the resource
> requirements from the workload itself, and then checks the global pool.
> If the global pool contains sufficient resources to satisfy the needs of
> the workload, the firmware assigns the required resources from the
> global pool to the workload.  If there are insufficient resources, the
> workload request from Linux is rejected.
>
> Some users may want to share the device between multiple containers, but
> provide device level isolation between those containers.  For example, a
> user may have 4 workloads to run, one per container, and each workload
> takes 1/4th of the set of compute cores.  The user would like to reserve
> sets of compute cores for each container so that container X always has
> the expected set of resources available, and if container Y
> malfunctions, it cannot “steal” resources from container X.
>
> To support this, the firmware supports a concept of partitioning.  A
> partition is a pool of resources which are removed from the global pool,
> and pre-assigned to the partition’s pool.  A workload can then be run
> from within a partition, and it consumes resources from that partition’s
> pool instead of from the global pool.  The firmware manages creating
> partitions and assigning resources to them.
>
> Partitions do not nest.
>
Do partitions have any significance in hardware, or are they just a
logical concept? Does it matter which compute core / bus replicator /
dma channel a user gets, or are they interchangeable between uses?

> In the above user example, the user can create 4 partitions, and divide
> up the compute cores among them.  Then the user can assign each
> individual container their own individual partition.  Each container
> would be limited to the resources within it’s assigned partition, but
> also that container would have exclusive access to those resources.
> This essentially provides isolation, and some Quality of Service (QoS).
>
> How this is currently implemented (in downstream), is perhaps not ideal.
>   A privileged daemon process reads a configuration file which defines
> the number of partitions, and the set of resources assigned to each.
> That daemon makes requests to the firmware to create the partitions, and
> gets a unique ID for each.  Then the daemon makes a request to the
> driver to create a “shadow device”, which is a child dev node.  The
> driver verifies with the firmware that the partition ID is valid, and
> then creates the dev node.  Internally the driver associates this shadow
> device with the partition ID so that each request to the firmware is
> tagged with the partition ID by the driver.  This tagging allows the
> firmware to determine that a request is targeted for a specific
> partition.  Finally, the shadow device is passed into the container,
> instead of the normal dev node.  The userspace within the container
> operates the shadow device normally.
>
> One concern with the current implementation is that it is possible to
> create a large number of partitions.  Since each partition is
> represented by a shadow device dev node, this can create a large number
> of dev nodes and exhaust the minor number space.
>
> I wonder if this functionality is better represented by a cgroup.
> Instead of creating a dev node for the partition, we can just run the
> container process within the cgroup.  However it doesn’t look like
> cgroups have a concept of resource reservation.  It is just a limit.  If
> that impression is accurate, then I struggle to see how to provide the
> desired isolation as some entity not under the cgroup could consume all
> of the device resources, leaving the containers unable to perform their
> tasks.

Given the top-down resource distribution policy for cgroups, I think
you'd have to have a cgroup subtree where limits for these resources
are exclusively passed to, and maintain the placement of processes in
the appropriate cgroup under this subtree (one per partition +
global). The limit for these resources in all other subtrees under the
root would need to be 0. The only trick would be to maintain the
limit(s) on the global pool based on the sum of the limits for the
partitions to ensure that the global pool cannot exhaust resources
"reserved" for the partitions. If partitions don't come and go at
runtime then that seems pretty straightforward, otherwise I could see
the maintenance/adjustment of those limits as a source of frustration.



>
> So, cgroup experts, does this sound like something that should be
> represented by a cgroup, or is cgroup the wrong mechanism for this usecase?
>
> [1] -
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/1660588956-24027-1-git-send-email-quic_jhugo@quicinc.com/

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* Re: GPU device resource reservations with cgroups?
  2022-09-08 16:44 ` T.J. Mercier
@ 2022-09-27 15:13   ` Jeffrey Hugo
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Jeffrey Hugo @ 2022-09-27 15:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: T.J. Mercier
  Cc: Tejun Heo, Zefan Li, cgroups, Johannes Weiner, dri-devel,
	linux-kernel, Carl Vanderlip, quic_ajitpals, quic_pkanojiy

On 9/8/2022 10:44 AM, T.J. Mercier wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 1:39 PM Jeffrey Hugo <quic_jhugo@quicinc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello cgroup experts,
>>
>> I have a GPU device [1] that supports organizing its resources for the
>> purposes of supporting containers.  I am attempting to determine how to
>> represent this in the upstream kernel, and I wonder if it fits in cgroups.
>>
>> The device itself has a number of resource types – compute cores,
>> memory, bus replicators, semaphores, and dma channels.  Any particular
>> workload may consume some set of these resources.  For example, a
>> workload may consume two compute cores, 1GB of memory, one dma channel,
>> but no semaphores and no bus replicators.
>>
>> By default all of the resources are in a global pool.  This global pool
>> is managed by the device firmware.  Linux makes a request to the
>> firmware to load a workload.  The firmware reads the resource
>> requirements from the workload itself, and then checks the global pool.
>> If the global pool contains sufficient resources to satisfy the needs of
>> the workload, the firmware assigns the required resources from the
>> global pool to the workload.  If there are insufficient resources, the
>> workload request from Linux is rejected.
>>
>> Some users may want to share the device between multiple containers, but
>> provide device level isolation between those containers.  For example, a
>> user may have 4 workloads to run, one per container, and each workload
>> takes 1/4th of the set of compute cores.  The user would like to reserve
>> sets of compute cores for each container so that container X always has
>> the expected set of resources available, and if container Y
>> malfunctions, it cannot “steal” resources from container X.
>>
>> To support this, the firmware supports a concept of partitioning.  A
>> partition is a pool of resources which are removed from the global pool,
>> and pre-assigned to the partition’s pool.  A workload can then be run
>> from within a partition, and it consumes resources from that partition’s
>> pool instead of from the global pool.  The firmware manages creating
>> partitions and assigning resources to them.
>>
>> Partitions do not nest.
>>
> Do partitions have any significance in hardware, or are they just a
> logical concept? Does it matter which compute core / bus replicator /
> dma channel a user gets, or are they interchangeable between uses?

Logical concept.  Resources are interchangeable.

In the future, I think it is possible that NUMA comes into the picture. 
  Just like now a CPU may be closer to a particular bank of memory (DDR) 
and thus keeping a task that uses that bank of memory scheduled on the 
associated CPU is an ideal situation from the perspective of the Linux 
scheduler, a particular compute core may have specific locality to other 
resources.

I'm guessing if we were to consider such a scenario, the partition would 
be flagged to request resources which are "close" to each-other.

>> In the above user example, the user can create 4 partitions, and divide
>> up the compute cores among them.  Then the user can assign each
>> individual container their own individual partition.  Each container
>> would be limited to the resources within it’s assigned partition, but
>> also that container would have exclusive access to those resources.
>> This essentially provides isolation, and some Quality of Service (QoS).
>>
>> How this is currently implemented (in downstream), is perhaps not ideal.
>>    A privileged daemon process reads a configuration file which defines
>> the number of partitions, and the set of resources assigned to each.
>> That daemon makes requests to the firmware to create the partitions, and
>> gets a unique ID for each.  Then the daemon makes a request to the
>> driver to create a “shadow device”, which is a child dev node.  The
>> driver verifies with the firmware that the partition ID is valid, and
>> then creates the dev node.  Internally the driver associates this shadow
>> device with the partition ID so that each request to the firmware is
>> tagged with the partition ID by the driver.  This tagging allows the
>> firmware to determine that a request is targeted for a specific
>> partition.  Finally, the shadow device is passed into the container,
>> instead of the normal dev node.  The userspace within the container
>> operates the shadow device normally.
>>
>> One concern with the current implementation is that it is possible to
>> create a large number of partitions.  Since each partition is
>> represented by a shadow device dev node, this can create a large number
>> of dev nodes and exhaust the minor number space.
>>
>> I wonder if this functionality is better represented by a cgroup.
>> Instead of creating a dev node for the partition, we can just run the
>> container process within the cgroup.  However it doesn’t look like
>> cgroups have a concept of resource reservation.  It is just a limit.  If
>> that impression is accurate, then I struggle to see how to provide the
>> desired isolation as some entity not under the cgroup could consume all
>> of the device resources, leaving the containers unable to perform their
>> tasks.
> 
> Given the top-down resource distribution policy for cgroups, I think
> you'd have to have a cgroup subtree where limits for these resources
> are exclusively passed to, and maintain the placement of processes in
> the appropriate cgroup under this subtree (one per partition +
> global). The limit for these resources in all other subtrees under the
> root would need to be 0. The only trick would be to maintain the
> limit(s) on the global pool based on the sum of the limits for the
> partitions to ensure that the global pool cannot exhaust resources
> "reserved" for the partitions. If partitions don't come and go at
> runtime then that seems pretty straightforward, otherwise I could see
> the maintenance/adjustment of those limits as a source of frustration.
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> So, cgroup experts, does this sound like something that should be
>> represented by a cgroup, or is cgroup the wrong mechanism for this usecase?
>>
>> [1] -
>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/1660588956-24027-1-git-send-email-quic_jhugo@quicinc.com/


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