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From: escape <escape@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: hannes@cmpxchg.org, mkoutny@suse.com, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cgroup: replace global percpu_rwsem with signal_struct->group_rwsem when writing cgroup.procs/threads
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2025 14:38:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <28004f86-72a4-44eb-aa0a-0c9c0a1d6671@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfe595a7-c20d-4891-aba1-35546c488024@linux.alibaba.com>



在 2025/9/4 11:15, escape 写道:
>
> 在 2025/9/4 00:53, Tejun Heo 写道:
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2025 at 07:11:07PM +0800, Yi Tao wrote:
>>> As computer hardware advances, modern systems are typically equipped
>>> with many CPU cores and large amounts of memory, enabling the 
>>> deployment
>>> of numerous applications. On such systems, container creation and
>>> deletion become frequent operations, making cgroup process migration no
>>> longer a cold path. This leads to noticeable contention with common
>>> process operations such as fork, exec, and exit.
>> If you use CLONE_INTO_CGROUP, cgroup migration doesn't just become 
>> cold. It
>> disappears completely and CLONE_INTO_CGROUP doesn't need any global 
>> locks
>> from cgroup side. Are there reasons why you can't use CLONE_INTO_CGROUP?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> As Ridong pointed out, in the current code, using CLONE_INTO_CGROUP
> still requires holding the threadgroup_rwsem, so contention with fork
> operations persists.
Sorry, my understanding here was wrong; using CLONE_INTO_CGROUP can
indeed avoid the race condition with fork, but the restrictions do exist.

Thanks.
>
> CLONE_INTO_CGROUP helps alleviate the contention between cgroup creation
> and deletion, but its usage comes with significant limitations:
>
> 1. CLONE_INTO_CGROUP is only available in cgroup v2. Although cgroup v2
> adoption is gradually increasing, many applications have not yet been
> adapted to cgroup v2, and phasing out cgroup v1 will be a long and
> gradual process.
>
>
> 2. CLONE_INTO_CGROUP requires specifying the cgroup file descriptor at 
> the
> time of process fork, effectively restricting cgroup migration to the
> fork stage. This differs significantly from the typical cgroup attach
> workflow. For example, in Kubernetes, systemd is the recommended cgroup
> driver; kubelet communicates with systemd via D-Bus, and systemd
> performs the actual cgroup attachment. In this case, the process being
> attached typically does not have systemd as its parent. Using
> CLONE_INTO_CGROUP in such a scenario is impractical and would require
> coordinated changes to both systemd and kubelet.
>
> Thanks.
>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-04  6:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-03 11:11 Yi Tao
2025-09-03 13:14 ` Waiman Long
2025-09-04  1:35   ` Chen Ridong
2025-09-04  4:59   ` escape
2025-09-04  5:02   ` escape
2025-09-03 16:53 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 20:03   ` Michal Koutný
2025-09-03 20:45     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-04  1:40       ` Chen Ridong
2025-09-04  6:43         ` escape
2025-09-04  6:52         ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-04  3:15   ` escape
2025-09-04  6:38     ` escape [this message]
2025-09-04  7:28     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-04  8:10       ` escape
2025-09-04 11:39 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Yi Tao
2025-09-04 11:39   ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Yi Tao
2025-09-04 16:31     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-05  2:16       ` escape
2025-09-05  2:27         ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-05  3:44           ` escape
2025-09-05  3:48             ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-05  4:30               ` escape
2025-09-05  2:02     ` Chen Ridong
2025-09-05 13:17     ` kernel test robot
2025-09-08 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 0/1] cgroup: replace global percpu_rwsem with per threadgroup resem when writing to cgroup.procs Yi Tao
2025-09-08 10:20   ` [PATCH v3 1/1] " Yi Tao
2025-09-08 16:05     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-08 19:39     ` Waiman Long
2025-09-09  7:55 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] " Yi Tao
2025-09-09  7:55   ` [PATCH v4 1/3] " Yi Tao
2025-09-09  7:55   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] cgroup: retry find task if threadgroup leader changed Yi Tao
2025-09-09 16:59     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-09  7:55   ` [PATCH v4 3/3] cgroup: refactor the cgroup_attach_lock code to make it clearer Yi Tao
2025-09-09 17:00     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-10  6:59 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] cgroup: replace global percpu_rwsem with per threadgroup resem when writing to cgroup.procs Yi Tao
2025-09-10  6:59   ` [PATCH v5 1/3] cgroup: refactor the cgroup_attach_lock code to make it clearer Yi Tao
2025-09-10 17:26     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-10  6:59   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] cgroup: relocate cgroup_attach_lock within cgroup_procs_write_start Yi Tao
2025-09-10 17:31     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-11  3:22     ` Waiman Long
2025-09-10  6:59   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] cgroup: replace global percpu_rwsem with per threadgroup resem when writing to cgroup.procs Yi Tao
2025-09-10 17:47     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-11  1:52       ` Yi Tao

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