Re: MikeeUSA -- Notice Bruce Perens has NO response (nor does Moglen). [Was: Re: GrSecurity]

Re: MikeeUSA -- Notice Bruce Perens has NO response (nor does Moglen). [Was: Re: GrSecurity]

[esodnencaocrefsdv]

Malformed ascii art saying "Don't feed the trolls"

IE: Can't attack the message, attack the man.

Because White Men Programmers simply do not know what they do not know 
and take proper, correct, legal analysis from a license attorney dealing 
with a relevant issue as "trolling".

Here's a response from another attorney:
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2017-July/044040.html
https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/29/128

Notice Bruce Perens has NO response.
Neither does Professor Moglen who apparently forgot to include a 
no-revocation clause in version 2 of the GPL when he drafted it, thus 
keeping open the possibility of any rights-holder to unilaterally recind 
their grant at any time for any reason so-long as they did not make a 
relied-upon communication to the grantee speaking otherwise.
(seemingly** completely negligent drafting of the document) (a 
no-revocation clause would atleast make it easier to claim estopple and 
prevent unilateral revocation*)

(Notice that the later edition; v3 (which linux is not licensed under) 
rectify this ommission (yes this is the main reason v3 had to be 
drafted, the patent issue is a foil))

But Bruce and Moglen are friends (and both look down on Hans Reiser; 
feeling disparagingly about his work because Hans Reiser obeyed the 
dictats of his God regarding the adulterous behavior of the wife Nina, 
and then further, Hans did not accept any other ruler/judge/power etc 
(thus rejecting the plea agreement))
thus Moglen stays silent as Bruce Perens libels me. They have their 
square glasses on, they love their civilization that raises the woman 
above the man, that makes the man a draft animal of the woman, and keeps 
the man's love: the young girl***, from him.

Bruce Perens and Professor Moglen have adopted the white man's belief 
system:
That the man is the beast upon which the woman rightly rides;
(rather than the Overlord (ba'al) of the female).

Bruce Perens, Moglen, etc look down on those who see beauty where it 
truly resides: in the young girl***.
Bruce Perens and Moglen are thus feel Superior for spurning what is 
actually good and embracing a pale shadow that seeks to collapse upon 
them.

*no guarantee however... this is an inherent right of a property 
owner... to recind unilateral grants,control his property, alienate it 
as he wished
** we do not know the requirements that the Client privately 
communicated for the drafting of the document
***( taking girl children as brides is permitted by the God under 
Deuteronomy 22, 28-29, hebrew )

Hans Reiser did nothing wrong according to the Book of the Law 
(Deuteronomy).
Still, he stays strong.
First A victim of false love
Now A prisoner of conscience.

On 2017-08-03 05:01, John Morris wrote:
> At the risk of lowering the signal to noise on this list even more, I'd
> like to note that about seven minutes before this new nym posted here 
> it
> posted the same text to the Fedora users list.  There was exactly one
> reply.  I won't spoil it, go look it up because it worked.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Dng@lists.dyne.org
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: MikeeUSA -- Notice Bruce Perens has NO response (nor does Moglen). [Was: Re: GrSecurity]

[Tracy Smith]

Please take this offline.

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 3, 2017, at 3:26 AM, esodnencaocrefsdv@aaathats3as.com wrote:
> 
> Malformed ascii art saying "Don't feed the trolls"
> 
> IE: Can't attack the message, attack the man.
> 
> Because White Men Programmers simply do not know what they do not know and take proper, correct, legal analysis from a license attorney dealing with a relevant issue as "trolling".
> 
> Here's a response from another attorney:
> https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2017-July/044040.html
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/29/128
> 
> Notice Bruce Perens has NO response.
> Neither does Professor Moglen who apparently forgot to include a no-revocation clause in version 2 of the GPL when he drafted it, thus keeping open the possibility of any rights-holder to unilaterally recind their grant at any time for any reason so-long as they did not make a relied-upon communication to the grantee speaking otherwise.
> (seemingly** completely negligent drafting of the document) (a no-revocation clause would atleast make it easier to claim estopple and prevent unilateral revocation*)
> 
> (Notice that the later edition; v3 (which linux is not licensed under) rectify this ommission (yes this is the main reason v3 had to be drafted, the patent issue is a foil))
> 
> But Bruce and Moglen are friends (and both look down on Hans Reiser; feeling disparagingly about his work because Hans Reiser obeyed the dictats of his God regarding the adulterous behavior of the wife Nina, and then further, Hans did not accept any other ruler/judge/power etc (thus rejecting the plea agreement))
> thus Moglen stays silent as Bruce Perens libels me. They have their square glasses on, they love their civilization that raises the woman above the man, that makes the man a draft animal of the woman, and keeps the man's love: the young girl***, from him.
> 
> Bruce Perens and Professor Moglen have adopted the white man's belief system:
> That the man is the beast upon which the woman rightly rides;
> (rather than the Overlord (ba'al) of the female).
> 
> Bruce Perens, Moglen, etc look down on those who see beauty where it truly resides: in the young girl***.
> Bruce Perens and Moglen are thus feel Superior for spurning what is actually good and embracing a pale shadow that seeks to collapse upon them.
> 
> *no guarantee however... this is an inherent right of a property owner... to recind unilateral grants,control his property, alienate it as he wished
> ** we do not know the requirements that the Client privately communicated for the drafting of the document
> ***( taking girl children as brides is permitted by the God under Deuteronomy 22, 28-29, hebrew )
> 
> Hans Reiser did nothing wrong according to the Book of the Law (Deuteronomy).
> Still, he stays strong.
> First A victim of false love
> Now A prisoner of conscience.
> 
>> On 2017-08-03 05:01, John Morris wrote:
>> At the risk of lowering the signal to noise on this list even more, I'd
>> like to note that about seven minutes before this new nym posted here it
>> posted the same text to the Fedora users list.  There was exactly one
>> reply.  I won't spoil it, go look it up because it worked.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dng mailing list
>> Dng@lists.dyne.org
>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: MikeeUSA -- Notice Bruce Perens has NO response (nor does Moglen). [Was: Re: GrSecurity]

[esodnencaocrefsdv]

On 2017-08-03 09:13, Xen wrote:
> In Game Genie vs. Nintendo a company created a cheating device that
> would alter the operation of an existing product.
> 
> They won that case and were allowed to do it.
> 
> Distributing patches to be applied to an existing software product
> would really be no different than that. If Nintendo were to say "You
> can buy our product only if you agree never to modify it" I don't
> think that would make it any different.

(I'm tired of re-explaining this over and over to stupid american white 
men programmers.)
(I've allready done it again and again. Bruce Perens has already done 
it.)
(Your attorney can do it.)

You are simply WRONG.

WRONG WRONG WRONG.

You are a programmer and pretend you know something about the law. You 
do not.

Yet you will insist that since YOU know SOMETHING about something 
regarding logic (programming) that you are right,
all the attorneys are useless and wrong.

The Game Genie case is (off the top of my head) distinguishable in that 
1) none of Nintendo's copyrighted works were distributed with Game 
Genie.
Game Genie was not a derivative work of Nintendo's intellectual 
property.
(Additionally Game Genie is a separable product from the Nintendo 
system. )

COMPLETELY different here where GRSecurity team has gone into the linux 
code, modified it, and then published their modifications.
See the Anime Subs cases for a similar situation: yes subs for an anime 
are a derivative work of the anime.

You're simply wrong, programmer. So shut your mouth or go and study law 
for a few years before giving your "opinion" on legal matters again, 
understand lay person? Understand?

------

The GRSecurity patch snakes through almost the entire kernel; it really 
touches everywhere
(and Brad Spengler etc have publicly attested to this as a bullet point 
as it doesn't only
add features but fixes various in-place security errors); and not even 
as a monolithic block,
it puts a paw here, and there, and there (so on and so on for 8MBs), 
with the deft agility of a cat,
and the dexterity of a vine wrapped every which-way around the many 
branches of a bush:
it is a non-separable derivative work.

A counter example would be the Nvidia GFX driver: a portion of that 
driver works across platforms.
That portion which works on Linux, Windows, etc is a separable work and 
thus can be argued
to be standalone before a court. Furthermore, in the Nvidia case, that 
portion was likely
developed on another platform and the wrapper was then built to conform 
to it.

The wrapper itself that interfaces with linux is licensed under the same 
terms as linux.

Other drivers can be written in a similar way.

With GRSecurity, on the other-hand, that is absolutely impossible. 
GRSecurity exists
only to give the linux kernel "self protection" (their words IIRC). They 
do this
by going in with a scalpel to thousands of areas in the kernel and 
making small
but important* edits and additions, as-well as by writing some new 
routines to then
use throughout the kernel.

Unlike a plug-in; their derivative work does not and cannot stand alone.

The Anime-Subs cases reaffirmed somewhat recently that a derivative work
that cannot stand alone and is not authorized is an infringing work.

(Ex: You're a fan, you listen to the Anime Girl cartoon in Japanese,
you write down what they say, you distribute that: that text is a
derivative work and not a standalone one: it required the existence
of the cartoon to itself exist or have any meaning).

The situations are very different thusly and that a court
would find GRSecurity to be infringing. If the GRSecurity patch is not
a derivative work then nothing in the realm of source-code is.

As for making modifications: To create the patch Brad Spengler modified 
the
linux-kernel over the course of 15 years, and to continue continually 
producing
new patches he continually modifies the linux-kernel even more. Without
permission of the license he has no right to modify the kernel. The 
mechanical
modification that is done by patching is a red-herring in this case 
since it's
not needed to argue infringement on Mr Spengler's part once he has been 
found
to have added an additional term to the agreement between him and 
further
distributees of the derivative work. Once he has done that, he has 
violated
the license grant, and he no-longer has a right to distribute the work, 
nor
to distribute derivative works, nor to modify the work in-order to 
create
future derivative works.