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From: "Ray Lee" <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>
To: "Michael Gerdau" <mgd@technosis.de>
Cc: "Bill Davidsen" <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	"Linux Kernel M/L" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Sched - graphic smoothness under load - cfs-v13 sd-0.48
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 00:20:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2c0942db0705200020o6dafc9d5k3276c65b3fc9cd4d@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200705200859.56327.mgd@technosis.de>

On 5/19/07, Michael Gerdau <mgd@technosis.de> wrote:
> > > I don't want to say the values aren't useful. I simply think there is
> > > a high noiselevel.
> >
> > The noise is reflected in the standard deviation he has on those rows.
> > The average +- stdev  of one overlaps the average +- stdev of the
> > other,
>
> For the fairness test on cfs13 this simply is wrong.

Ah, you are correct. I was looking at the glxgears test and mostly
ignoring the fairness one as I'm not sure what the test is doing. As
the deviations seem erratic, the fairness test looks like it needs
more passes to converge, but that's just a guess. I honestly don't
know what's going on with that one.

> And for the
> test to be stable would require that avg of one is within avg+-stddev
> of the other (simple overlap does not suffice).

Er, I think you took a different statistics class than I did :-). In
general, the 'true' value we're trying to find/measure has a certain
percentage chance of lying within the average +- n*deviation, with the
percentage going up as n increases, right? (68% for n=1, 95% for n=2,
etc.)

Both distributions have that property, and so to consider one of the
averages as the 'true' value and the other a mere distribution that
has to overlap it is... somewhat inaccurate.

In general, if they both overlap within one standard deviation of each
other, you can say that the data has pretty good agreement with
itself. Which for the glxgears case, it does. The fairness test isn't
so cut and dried, but it's not horrifically out of whack, either. So
I'll reserve judgment on that one :-).

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-20  7:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-19 20:02 Bill Davidsen
2007-05-19 20:22 ` Ray Lee
2007-05-20  0:44   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-20  6:12     ` Michael Gerdau
2007-05-20  6:30       ` Ray Lee
2007-05-20  6:59         ` Michael Gerdau
2007-05-20  7:20           ` Ray Lee [this message]
2007-05-20  6:55     ` Ray Lee
2007-05-21 18:27     ` Matt Keenan
2007-05-19 20:36 ` Diego Calleja
2007-05-19 20:55   ` Ray Lee
2007-05-19 23:21   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-20 16:29 ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-05-20 16:44   ` Ray Lee
2007-05-20 16:58     ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-05-20 17:19       ` Ray Lee
2007-05-22 17:55       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-22 20:01         ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-05-23  0:28           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-23 13:10             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-23 18:29               ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-05-23 20:45                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-23 21:03                   ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-05-24  0:36             ` Con Kolivas
2007-05-23  4:06               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-23  5:23               ` Michael Gerdau
2007-05-23  7:58                 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-05-23  8:21                   ` Bill Huey
2007-05-23 18:22                   ` Ian Romanick
2007-05-23 18:43                     ` Xavier Bestel
2007-05-23 17:22                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-23 16:59               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-05-22 17:22   ` Bill Davidsen

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