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From: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
To: Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	<seanjc@google.com>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
	H Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	<kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>, <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	<reinette.chatre@intel.com>, <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	<tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>, <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
	<isaku.yamahata@intel.com>, <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	<chao.gao@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 2/2] x86/tdx: Skip clearing reclaimed pages unless X86_BUG_TDX_PW_MCE is present
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 08:37:56 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2e444491-f296-4fa4-9221-036f9b010c1d@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGtprH8boLi3PjXqU=bXA8th0s7=XE4gtFL+6wmmGaRqWQvAMw@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/07/2025 20:06, Vishal Annapurve wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 8:37 AM Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com> wrote:
>>
>> Avoid clearing reclaimed TDX private pages unless the platform is affected
>> by the X86_BUG_TDX_PW_MCE erratum. This significantly reduces VM shutdown
>> time on unaffected systems.
>>
>> Background
>>
>> KVM currently clears reclaimed TDX private pages using MOVDIR64B, which:
>>
>>    - Clears the TD Owner bit (which identifies TDX private memory) and
>>      integrity metadata without triggering integrity violations.
>>    - Clears poison from cache lines without consuming it, avoiding MCEs on
>>      access (refer TDX Module Base spec. 16.5. Handling Machine Check
>>      Events during Guest TD Operation).
>>
>> The TDX module also uses MOVDIR64B to initialize private pages before use.
>> If cache flushing is needed, it sets TDX_FEATURES.CLFLUSH_BEFORE_ALLOC.
>> However, KVM currently flushes unconditionally, refer commit 94c477a751c7b
>> ("x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrappers to add TD private pages")
>>
>> In contrast, when private pages are reclaimed, the TDX Module handles
>> flushing via the TDH.PHYMEM.CACHE.WB SEAMCALL.
>>
>> Problem
>>
>> Clearing all private pages during VM shutdown is costly. For guests
>> with a large amount of memory it can take minutes.
>>
>> Solution
>>
>> TDX Module Base Architecture spec. documents that private pages reclaimed
>> from a TD should be initialized using MOVDIR64B, in order to avoid
>> integrity violation or TD bit mismatch detection when later being read
>> using a shared HKID, refer April 2025 spec. "Page Initialization" in
>> section "8.6.2. Platforms not Using ACT: Required Cache Flush and
>> Initialization by the Host VMM"
>>
>> That is an overstatement and will be clarified in coming versions of the
>> spec. In fact, as outlined in "Table 16.2: Non-ACT Platforms Checks on
>> Memory" and "Table 16.3: Non-ACT Platforms Checks on Memory Reads in Li
>> Mode" in the same spec, there is no issue accessing such reclaimed pages
>> using a shared key that does not have integrity enabled. Linux always uses
>> KeyID 0 which never has integrity enabled. KeyID 0 is also the TME KeyID
>> which disallows integrity, refer "TME Policy/Encryption Algorithm" bit
>> description in "Intel Architecture Memory Encryption Technologies" spec
>> version 1.6 April 2025. So there is no need to clear pages to avoid
>> integrity violations.
>>
>> There remains a risk of poison consumption. However, in the context of
>> TDX, it is expected that there would be a machine check associated with the
>> original poisoning. On some platforms that results in a panic. However
>> platforms may support "SEAM_NR" Machine Check capability, in which case
>> Linux machine check handler marks the page as poisoned, which prevents it
>> from being allocated anymore, refer commit 7911f145de5fe ("x86/mce:
>> Implement recovery for errors in TDX/SEAM non-root mode")
>>
>> Improvement
>>
>> By skipping the clearing step on unaffected platforms, shutdown time
>> can improve by up to 40%.
> 
> This patch looks good to me.
> 
> I would like to raise a related topic, is there any requirement for
> zeroing pages on conversion from private to shared before
> userspace/guest faults in the gpa ranges as shared?

For TDX, clearing must still be done for platforms with the
partial-write errata (SPR and EMR).

> 
> If the answer is no for all CoCo architectures then guest_memfd can
> simply just zero pages on allocation for all it's users and not worry
> about zeroing later.

In fact TDX does not need private pages to be zeroed on allocation
because the TDX Module always does that.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-04  5:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-03 15:37 [PATCH V2 0/2] " Adrian Hunter
2025-07-03 15:37 ` [PATCH V2 1/2] x86/tdx: Eliminate duplicate code in tdx_clear_page() Adrian Hunter
2025-07-03 16:34   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-07-04  6:44   ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-04 15:33   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-07  2:08   ` Huang, Kai
2025-07-07 17:31   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-03 15:37 ` [PATCH V2 2/2] x86/tdx: Skip clearing reclaimed pages unless X86_BUG_TDX_PW_MCE is present Adrian Hunter
2025-07-03 16:44   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-07-03 17:06   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-04  5:37     ` Adrian Hunter [this message]
2025-07-07 23:31       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-04  1:32   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-04  6:44     ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-07  2:09   ` Huang, Kai
2025-07-07  3:16   ` Chao Gao
2025-07-07  4:23     ` Dave Hansen
2025-07-07  7:15       ` Chao Gao
2025-07-07 11:39         ` Huang, Kai
2025-07-07 14:32         ` Dave Hansen
2025-07-07 18:15           ` Edgecombe, Rick P

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