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From: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
To: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	<seanjc@google.com>, <vannapurve@google.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
	"H Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	<kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>, <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	<reinette.chatre@intel.com>, <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	<tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>, <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
	<isaku.yamahata@intel.com>, <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 2/2] x86/tdx: Skip clearing reclaimed pages unless X86_BUG_TDX_PW_MCE is present
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 11:16:12 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aGs7/C0W58nEUVNk@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250703153712.155600-3-adrian.hunter@intel.com>

On Thu, Jul 03, 2025 at 06:37:12PM +0300, Adrian Hunter wrote:
>Avoid clearing reclaimed TDX private pages unless the platform is affected
>by the X86_BUG_TDX_PW_MCE erratum. This significantly reduces VM shutdown
>time on unaffected systems.
>
>Background
>
>KVM currently clears reclaimed TDX private pages using MOVDIR64B, which:
>
>   - Clears the TD Owner bit (which identifies TDX private memory) and
>     integrity metadata without triggering integrity violations.
>   - Clears poison from cache lines without consuming it, avoiding MCEs on
>     access (refer TDX Module Base spec. 16.5. Handling Machine Check
>     Events during Guest TD Operation).
>
>The TDX module also uses MOVDIR64B to initialize private pages before use.
>If cache flushing is needed, it sets TDX_FEATURES.CLFLUSH_BEFORE_ALLOC.
>However, KVM currently flushes unconditionally, refer commit 94c477a751c7b
>("x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrappers to add TD private pages")
>
>In contrast, when private pages are reclaimed, the TDX Module handles
>flushing via the TDH.PHYMEM.CACHE.WB SEAMCALL.
>
>Problem
>
>Clearing all private pages during VM shutdown is costly. For guests
>with a large amount of memory it can take minutes.
>
>Solution
>
>TDX Module Base Architecture spec. documents that private pages reclaimed
>from a TD should be initialized using MOVDIR64B, in order to avoid
>integrity violation or TD bit mismatch detection when later being read
>using a shared HKID, refer April 2025 spec. "Page Initialization" in
>section "8.6.2. Platforms not Using ACT: Required Cache Flush and
>Initialization by the Host VMM"
>
>That is an overstatement and will be clarified in coming versions of the
>spec. In fact, as outlined in "Table 16.2: Non-ACT Platforms Checks on
>Memory" and "Table 16.3: Non-ACT Platforms Checks on Memory Reads in Li
>Mode" in the same spec, there is no issue accessing such reclaimed pages
>using a shared key that does not have integrity enabled. Linux always uses
>KeyID 0 which never has integrity enabled. KeyID 0 is also the TME KeyID
>which disallows integrity, refer "TME Policy/Encryption Algorithm" bit
>description in "Intel Architecture Memory Encryption Technologies" spec
>version 1.6 April 2025. So there is no need to clear pages to avoid
>integrity violations.
>
>There remains a risk of poison consumption. However, in the context of
>TDX, it is expected that there would be a machine check associated with the
>original poisoning. On some platforms that results in a panic. However
>platforms may support "SEAM_NR" Machine Check capability, in which case
>Linux machine check handler marks the page as poisoned, which prevents it
>from being allocated anymore, refer commit 7911f145de5fe ("x86/mce:
>Implement recovery for errors in TDX/SEAM non-root mode")

Even on a CPU w/ SEAM_NR and w/o X86_BUG_TDX_PW_MCE, is there still a risk of
poisoned memory being returned to the host kernel? Since only poison
consumption causes #MCE, if a poisoned page is never consumed in SEAM non-root
mode, there will be no #MCE, and the mentioned commit won't mark the page as
poisoned.

A reclaimed poisoned page could be reused and potentially cause a kernel panic.
While WBINVD could help, we believe it's not worth it as it will slow down the
vast majority of cases. Is my understanding correct?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-07  3:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-03 15:37 [PATCH V2 0/2] " Adrian Hunter
2025-07-03 15:37 ` [PATCH V2 1/2] x86/tdx: Eliminate duplicate code in tdx_clear_page() Adrian Hunter
2025-07-03 16:34   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-07-04  6:44   ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-04 15:33   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-07  2:08   ` Huang, Kai
2025-07-07 17:31   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-03 15:37 ` [PATCH V2 2/2] x86/tdx: Skip clearing reclaimed pages unless X86_BUG_TDX_PW_MCE is present Adrian Hunter
2025-07-03 16:44   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-07-03 17:06   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-04  5:37     ` Adrian Hunter
2025-07-07 23:31       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-04  1:32   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-04  6:44     ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-07  2:09   ` Huang, Kai
2025-07-07  3:16   ` Chao Gao [this message]
2025-07-07  4:23     ` Dave Hansen
2025-07-07  7:15       ` Chao Gao
2025-07-07 11:39         ` Huang, Kai
2025-07-07 14:32         ` Dave Hansen
2025-07-07 18:15           ` Edgecombe, Rick P

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