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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Ilya Gladyshev <ilya.gladyshev@linux.dev>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch,
	apopple@nvidia.com, artem.kuzin@huawei.com,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	edumazet@google.com, harry.yoo@oracle.com,
	hramamurthy@google.com, ivgorbunov@me.com, joshwash@google.com,
	kirill@shutemov.name, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	muchun.song@linux.dev, pfalcato@suse.de, rppt@kernel.org,
	surenb@google.com, vbabka@suse.cz, willy@infradead.org,
	yuzhao@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/3] mm: implement page refcount locking via dedicated bit
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:06:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <30f58666-a798-4028-a2c3-9eb63612c4cc@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a1d5881926dbf4b16dc796fb1da939f32dd42f18@linux.dev>

On 9/25/26 09:03, Ilya Gladyshev wrote:
> September 25, 2026 at 5:44 AM, Zi Yan wrote:
>>
>> On Thu Sep 24, 2026 at 4:06 PM EDT, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I think this all needs to be entirely generic to all pages. Agreed.
>>>  Everybody needs to do it right.
>>>
>> It assumes all callers of page_ref_dec_and_test() are free page
>> functions, but there are two exceptions:
>>
>> 1. compaction_free() uses folio_put_testzero(), which calls
>> page_ref_dec_and_test() to put not used migration dst page back to
>> isolated freelist instead of freeing them.
>>
>> 2. virtio_mem_fake_offline_going_offline() drops the last reference of
>> fake-offline pages, so that they can be offline.
>>
>> They will need to be converted to not use page_ref_dec_and_test() in
>> addition to a common page freeing function. And any such future use
>> needs to be banned.
>>
>>>
>>> But I think that in the scenario that Ilya mentioned:
>>>
>>>  Refcount operations as follows (FR = FROZEN):
>>>
>>>  A: DEC 1 -> 0 [ page_ref_dec_and_test() ]
>>>  B: INC 0 -> 1 [ folio_try_get() ] => success
>>>  B: DEC 1 -> 0 [ page_ref_dec_and_test() ]
>>>  B: CAS 0 -> FR [ page_ref_dec_and_test() ]
>>>  B: * deallocates via __folio_put() *
>>>
>>>  C: * re-allocates page *
>>>  C: DEC 1 -> 0 [ page_ref_dec_and_test() ]
>>>  A: CAS 0 -> FR [ page_ref_dec_and_test() ] => success
>>>  A: * deallocates directly via free_frozen_pages() * => BUG
>>>
>>>  the big here is that the de-allocation was done not from the state of
>>>  the *page*, but from the state of who finished it off.
>>>
>>>  So that
>>>
>>>  A: CAS 0 -> FR [ page_ref_dec_and_test() ] => success
>>>
>>>  is not a problem per se. It's a fine case of "we had one single unique
>>>  final free".
>>>
>>>  The failure is that A then goes on to do that
>>>
>>>  "deallocates directly via free_frozen_pages"
>>>
>>>  because A mis-judged the page as having the old stale state that it
>>>  had when *A* was using it.
>>>
>>>  IOW, I think the soluition is either:
>>>
>>>  (a) every user of put_page_testzero(page) agrees tro do exactly the
>>>  same thing and there is no difference between how that final
>>>  "0->FROZEN" is dealt with, so it doesn't matter that A is freeing a
>>>  page that C allocated for something else
>>>
>>>  or
>>>
>>>  (b) the CAS 0 -> FR state sequence always looks at the *page* to
>>>  decide what to do, never at the caller state (ie A will look at
>>>  whatever C wrote when it allocated the page to know how to do that
>>>  final free).
>>>
>>>  Hmm?
>>>
>> Just wonder if we could make 1 -> FROZEN atomic to get rid of the gap.
> 
> Hmmm, I’m afraid that since you need CAS for a safe 1->FR transition,
> it will result in a CAS loop for the decrement itself (like in
> atomic_sub_unless).

I was playing with exact this idea when I was reviewing one of the earlier
versions; didn't manage to make it fly in a nice way :)

-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-25  7:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-12 19:50 [PATCH v6 0/3] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-12 19:50 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] gve: reduce pagecnt_bias to USHRT_MAX Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-12 19:50 ` [PATCH v6 2/3] mm: drop page refcount zero state semantics Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-14  9:13   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-12 19:50 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] mm: implement page refcount locking via dedicated bit Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-14 10:39   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-15  2:42   ` Zi Yan
2026-09-23 17:34     ` Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-24 18:51       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-24 20:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-25  2:44           ` Zi Yan
2026-09-25  7:03             ` Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-25  7:06               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-09-25  7:15             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-14  0:06 ` [PATCH v6 0/3] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Andrew Morton
2026-09-14  8:10   ` Ilya Gladyshev

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