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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kas@kernel.org>,
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	Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>, Frank Li <frank.li@nxp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] virtio_console: copy pipe buffers in splice_write()
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2026 10:09:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <32ad880e-5946-4703-9c6f-43ff59da39af@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e94bdf7c-eae6-4f64-bf93-0aeedca1a22e@app.fastmail.com>

On 11/12/26 09:55, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2026, at 20:26, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2026 at 10:53, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> If that's the official new stance than I'm very happy.
>>
>> I definitely want to remove HIGHMEM entirely in the not too distant
>> future. And before we remove it, we can most definitely document the
>> fact that we will not be worried about insane users.
>>
>> And things like security issues count as "insane user": if you use
>> HIGHMEM outside of controlled embedded setups or museum pieces you get
>> to keep both pieces when it breaks.
>>
>> IOW, it's legacy. We should aim to not introduce *new* bugs to it, but
>> if there are pre-existing bugs they very much count as "don't care",
>> this will be removed soon.
> 
> Agreed. There is also the option of adding Kconfig dependencies to
> mark things that are known broken with highmem when we either know
> that it is buggy, or we have a good reason to break something that
> none of those remaining users should be using.
> 
>> I think the only reason it wasn't removed a couple of years ago
>> already is basically a few old 32-bit ARM platforms that still used
>> it.
>>
>> Those platforms still exist, and I predict that they'll still exist
>> next year, but if those users have to stay at the current LTS kernel,
>> that's fine.
> 
> I tried to push for what I thought was an aggressive timeline
> last year, but that would still keep the Arm bits for a couple more
> LTS releases and only gradually reduce the scope of highmem in the
> meantime, removing support from architectures, file systems, and
> drivers where possible. See https://lwn.net/Articles/1051010/
> for a summary of my talk in Tokyo, including the slides and
> a link to the video for anyone wanting more details.
> 
> I also prepared a number of patches towards this, but have so
> far not been great at following up to get them merged, sorry
> about that.

I think we can already start at removing CONFIG_HIGHPTE now, right?

-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-12  9:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-10 14:52 [PATCH 0/4] splice: remove pipe buffer stealing Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-11-10 14:52 ` [PATCH 1/4] virtio_console: copy pipe buffers in splice_write() Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-11-10 16:24   ` Zi Yan
2026-11-10 19:19   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-11-11 12:36     ` Christian Brauner
2026-11-11 13:42       ` Christian Brauner
2026-11-11 16:43         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-11-11 18:53           ` Christian Brauner
2026-11-11 19:26             ` Linus Torvalds
2026-11-12  8:55               ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-12  9:09                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-11-12  9:25                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-12  9:28                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-10 14:52 ` [PATCH 2/4] fuse: don't move pipe buffers into the page cache Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-11-10 16:25   ` Zi Yan
2026-11-11  9:02   ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-11-10 14:52 ` [PATCH 3/4] splice: remove pipe buffer stealing Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-11-10 14:52 ` [PATCH 4/4] splice: replace nosteal_pipe_buf_ops with default_pipe_buf_ops Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-11-10 15:59 ` [PATCH 0/4] splice: remove pipe buffer stealing Linus Torvalds
2026-11-11 11:06   ` Christian Brauner

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