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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Subject: Re: kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:29:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <34045.1317760188@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:04:41 +0300." <20111003180441.GD3072@localhost.pp.htv.fi>

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On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:04:41 +0300, Adrian Bunk said:
> On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 12:28:17PM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:

> > What is the threat that this passport checking is intended to cure?
> > That someone else might have been impersonating Rafael for years,
> > sending patches, chatting in email and over the phone, and attending
> > conferences?
>
> Key signing is an identity check.

That's dodging the issue. Somehow, I don't see Andrew Morton asking Linus to
sign his key, and Linus saying "How do I know you're the *real* Andrew Morton?"
And Andrew is a clever guy, if he was a fake Andrew, I'm sure he'd have gotten
a fake ID that would be good enough to fool Linus, who is also a clever guy but
I'm not aware of any special background he has in forgery detection. ;)

The more important point is that as far as the linux-kernel community is
concerned, the guy we've all seen show up at conferences and present stuff all
these times *is* Andrew Morton, even if his real name is George Q. Smith and
he's been on the run for the last 27 years for an embarassing incident
involving an ostrich, the mayor's daughter, and 17 gallons of mineral oil in
the atrium of the museum. ;)

The ID check is  to connect an actual person to the claimed key, and primarily
intended for key signing parties and the like, where people *don't* know each
other very well. I think there's something like 5 people on the linux-kernel
list who actually know me in real life, because I don't travel much and I'm
rather in the boonies.  If I asked anybody *else* who I'd not met before to
sign my key, yes, I'd expect them to check my ID, to ensure I wasn't somebody
trying to pull a fast one at the keysigning party.

> > If so, perhaps the impostor is of more value to the
> > project than the Real Rafael.
> 
> Pseudonymous contributions to the kernel are not allowed.

See above - whoever Andrew Morton *really* is, his contributions are hardly
pseudonymous.


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  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-04 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-30 23:50 H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-30 23:59 ` kernel.org status: hints on how to check your machine for intrusion Greg KH
2011-10-01  1:15   ` David Miller
2011-10-01  4:54     ` Greg KH
2011-10-01  7:35   ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 14:07     ` Greg KH
2011-10-01 18:06     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 18:13       ` David Miller
2011-10-01 18:29         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 18:34           ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 21:23             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-01 21:30               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03  9:28                 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2011-10-01 18:40         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 18:45         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-03  9:47           ` gmack
2011-10-01 22:06       ` Frank A. Kingswood
2011-10-03  9:49         ` gmack
2011-10-01 14:17   ` akwatts
2011-10-01 14:28     ` Greg KH
2011-10-01 16:29       ` Andy
2011-10-01 16:56       ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 17:19         ` Andy
2011-10-01 17:54           ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-01 22:32             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-01 17:54           ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 18:40             ` Andy
2011-10-01 19:06               ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 19:24                 ` Greg KH
2011-10-01 20:07                   ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 20:29                     ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-01 20:32                       ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 20:24                 ` Andy
2011-10-01 22:43               ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02  0:10                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02  5:35                   ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02  1:58                 ` tmhikaru
2011-10-02  2:26                   ` Greg KH
2011-10-02  3:30                     ` Andy
2011-10-02  4:39                       ` Greg KH
2011-10-02  6:59                         ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 12:03                         ` Andy
2011-10-02 18:27                           ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-11  1:16                           ` Andrew Watts
2011-10-02  3:31                     ` tmhikaru
2011-10-07  9:28   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-10-13  2:34   ` Re " Matthew W.S. Bell
2011-10-13 10:59   ` Matthew W.S. Bell
2011-10-18 15:13   ` Jean Delvare
2011-10-18 15:21     ` Greg KH
2011-10-18 16:08       ` Jean Delvare
2011-10-01 14:05 ` kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust Greg KH
2011-10-01 22:07   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-01 22:26     ` Greg KH
2011-10-02 23:02   ` Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
2011-10-02 23:09     ` Greg KH
2011-10-03  9:14   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-03 14:13     ` Greg KH
2011-10-03 15:09       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 21:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-01 22:27   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-01 22:36     ` Randy Dunlap
2011-10-01 22:52       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-02  1:04     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02  1:04       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 11:54         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 17:53           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 18:14             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 18:19               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 18:39                 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 19:02                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 19:24                     ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 19:29                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 18:24               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-02 18:31               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 19:31                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 20:42                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03  9:32             ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-03 16:28               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2011-10-03 18:04                 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-04 20:29                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks [this message]
2011-10-04 22:39                     ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-04 23:17                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2011-10-05  4:37                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-05  7:54                         ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 17:06                           ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-05 19:23                             ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 19:50                               ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 20:09                                 ` Greg KH
2011-10-05 21:25                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 23:47                                     ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-06  7:16                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 23:57                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-10-06  0:07                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-10-06  0:18                                 ` Chris Friesen
2011-10-06  7:30                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-10-06 17:19                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-06  8:04                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-06 10:22                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-10-06 11:10                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-06 11:05                                   ` Josh Boyer
2011-10-06 11:19                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05  4:23                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-05 20:00                       ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-05 20:19                         ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 20:36                           ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-05 23:55                             ` Greg KH
2011-10-06  0:23                               ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-06  0:50                                 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-06  5:25                                   ` Greg KH
2011-10-06 13:44                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-06 14:43                                     ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-06 10:05                           ` Alan Cox
2011-10-06 17:05                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 15:58                     ` Jon Masters
2011-10-06 17:39                       ` Mark Brown
2011-10-06 17:45                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 17:52                           ` Mark Brown
2011-10-06 17:48                         ` Greg KH
2011-10-06 18:08                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-06 18:14                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-06 19:50                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-06 22:16                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-07 16:29                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-07 16:59                             ` Greg KH
2011-10-07 16:59                             ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-07 18:22                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-08  5:02                             ` Jon Masters
2011-10-08 14:36                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-08 15:28                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-10-08 15:48                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-08 17:59                                 ` Jon Masters
2011-10-08 21:06                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-08 21:09                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-09  3:01                                     ` Jon Masters
2011-10-08 15:44                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-08 15:16                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-05 19:43               ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-02 18:36           ` Randy Dunlap
2011-10-02 22:46             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-02 23:16               ` Josh Boyer
2011-10-03  0:24               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 22:54             ` Guenter Roeck
2011-10-02 22:58               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 23:23                 ` Olof Johansson
2011-10-02 23:27                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03  0:44                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-10-03  1:00                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-10-03  1:00                       ` Guenter Roeck
2011-10-03  1:09                       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03  1:21                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-10-03  1:22                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03  1:42                           ` Andrew Morton
2011-10-03  1:43                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03  3:15                               ` Geoff Levand
2011-10-03  3:29                                 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03  3:38                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-10-03  3:54                                     ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03  4:02                                       ` Andrew Morton
2011-10-03  4:33                                         ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03  0:43               ` Lee Mathers
2011-10-03  9:53               ` Jonathan Cameron
2011-10-04 22:34                 ` Ralf Baechle
2011-10-05 19:12                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2011-10-06 13:27                     ` Cambridge, UK key signing meeting. Thursday 13th Oct Jonathan Cameron
2011-10-11 16:33                       ` Jonathan Cameron
2011-10-02 18:20     ` kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03  1:18 ` Ben Pfaff
2011-10-03  1:49   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03 11:19 ` Jiri Kosina
2011-10-03 22:56   ` Josh Triplett
2011-10-04  4:49     ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-04  4:52       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-04  5:11         ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-04 16:37           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-04  7:15         ` Jiri Kosina
2011-10-04 19:23         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-06  3:14         ` John Johansen
2011-10-06  4:49           ` hpanvin@gmail.com
2011-10-04 12:51   ` Heiko Carstens
2011-10-04 22:02     ` Jiri Kosina
2011-10-04 22:04       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-05  0:27     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03 17:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-06 18:22 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 18:31   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-06 21:19     ` [Warsaw Poland] " Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 21:37       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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