From: Yunseong Kim <yunseong.kim@est.tech>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@android.com>,
"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
"Brian Swetland" <swetland@google.com>,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@suse.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
"Yunseong Kim" <ysk@kzalloc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] binder: cap max_threads and reject duplicate looper entry
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2026 13:31:20 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <39f11302-936b-48aa-b65d-85e984fe1afa@est.tech> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aiKc-4v4T4X4DKSL@google.com>
Hi Alice,
On 6/5/26 11:55, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 10:27:19PM +0200, Yunseong Kim wrote:
>> Hi Alice,
>>
>> On 6/3/26 20:57, Alice Ryhl wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2026 at 8:02 PM Yunseong Kim <yunseong.kim@est.tech> wrote:
>>>
>>> My understanding is that the only thing BINDER_SET_MAX_THREADS does is
>>> cause the kernel to tell userspace "please spawn more threads" when
>>> all threads are in use and there are incoming transactions. I don't
>>> understand how it helps by pass ulimit. Did you try running your test
>>> with the Binder ioctl removed? I'd guess that if it passes now, it
>>> still passes with the Binder ioctl deleted.
>> You're right. I ran the test you suggested and confirmed there is no
>> bypass — RLIMIT_NPROC is enforced by copy_process() at clone() time,
>> regardless of binder's max_threads value:
>>
>> // Test: uid=65534, RLIMIT_NPROC=50, with and without SET_MAX_THREADS
>> [snip...]
>>
>> Identical. SET_MAX_THREADS has no effect on the thread creation limit.
>> My original PoC was flawed — it ran as root where RLIMIT_NPROC is not
>> enforced, making the binder ioctl irrelevant.
>>
>> I think accepting 0xFFFFFFFF for a thread pool size is arguably poor input
>> validation. no sane userspace would request 4 billion threads.
>>
>> Would a separate patch (without Fixes tag) that caps max_threads at a
>> reasonable upper bound be welcome, or is it not worth the churn? this is
>> hardening, not a security fix.
>
> I don't think that's useful.
Understood.
This time, I was able to track the binder fs using my kcov-dataflow (arg/ret),
which was a useful PoC. This could be helpful for anyone who wants to trace
arg/ret data during Rust kernel development or testing. :)
>
> Alice
Thanks again for the review!
Yunseong
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-05 11:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-03 18:01 Yunseong Kim
2026-06-03 18:01 ` [PATCH 1/4] binder: cap BINDER_SET_MAX_THREADS at RLIMIT_NPROC Yunseong Kim
2026-06-03 18:01 ` [PATCH 2/4] binder: reject duplicate BC_ENTER_LOOPER commands Yunseong Kim
2026-06-03 18:01 ` [PATCH 3/4] rust_binder: cap set_max_threads at RLIMIT_NPROC Yunseong Kim
2026-06-03 18:01 ` [PATCH 4/4] rust_binder: reject duplicate BC_ENTER_LOOPER in looper_enter Yunseong Kim
2026-06-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 0/4] binder: cap max_threads and reject duplicate looper entry Alice Ryhl
2026-06-04 20:27 ` Yunseong Kim
2026-06-05 9:55 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-05 11:31 ` Yunseong Kim [this message]
2026-06-06 14:51 ` Carlos Llamas
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