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From: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Julia Cartwright <julia@ni.com>,
	Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Edward Cree <ecree@solarflare.com>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/6] Static calls
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:45:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F89FB6B-DA8B-4C71-B825-2B7EB86F274E@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190110181807.irh2b7fk6at43rdl@treble>

> On Jan 10, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 05:32:08PM +0000, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>> On Jan 10, 2019, at 8:44 AM, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 01:21:00AM +0000, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 9, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> With this version, I stopped trying to use text_poke_bp(), and instead
>>>>> went with a different approach: if the call site destination doesn't
>>>>> cross a cacheline boundary, just do an atomic write.  Otherwise, keep
>>>>> using the trampoline indefinitely.
>>>>> 
>>>>> NOTE: At least experimentally, the call destination writes seem to be
>>>>> atomic with respect to instruction fetching.  On Nehalem I can easily
>>>>> trigger crashes when writing a call destination across cachelines while
>>>>> reading the instruction on other CPU; but I get no such crashes when
>>>>> respecting cacheline boundaries.
>>>>> 
>>>>> BUT, the SDM doesn't document this approach, so it would be great if any
>>>>> CPU people can confirm that it's safe!
>>>> 
>>>> I (still) think that having a compiler plugin can make things much cleaner
>>>> (as done in [1]). The callers would not need to be changed, and the key can
>>>> be provided through an attribute.
>>>> 
>>>> Using a plugin should also allow to use Steven’s proposal for doing
>>>> text_poke() safely: by changing 'func()' into 'asm (“call func”)', as done
>>>> by the plugin, you can be guaranteed that registers are clobbered. Then, you
>>>> can store in the assembly block the return address in one of these
>>>> registers.
>>> 
>>> I'm no GCC expert (why do I find myself saying this a lot lately?), but
>>> this sounds to me like it could be tricky to get right.
>>> 
>>> I suppose you'd have to do it in an early pass, to allow GCC to clobber
>>> the registers in a later pass.  So it would necessarily have side
>>> effects, but I don't know what the risks are.
>> 
>> I’m not GCC expert either and writing this code was not making me full of
>> joy, etc.. I’ll be happy that my code would be reviewed, but it does work. I
>> don’t think an early pass is needed, as long as hardware registers were not
>> allocated.
>> 
>>> Would it work with more than 5 arguments, where args get passed on the
>>> stack?
>> 
>> It does.
>> 
>>> At the very least, it would (at least partially) defeat the point of the
>>> callee-saved paravirt ops.
>> 
>> Actually, I think you can even deal with callee-saved functions and remove
>> all the (terrible) macros. You would need to tell the extension not to
>> clobber the registers through a new attribute.
> 
> Ok, it does sound interesting then.  I assume you'll be sharing the
> code?

Of course. If this what is going to convince, I’ll make a small version for
PV callee-saved first.

>>> What if we just used a plugin in a simpler fashion -- to do call site
>>> alignment, if necessary, to ensure the instruction doesn't cross
>>> cacheline boundaries.  This could be done in a later pass, with no side
>>> effects other than code layout.  And it would allow us to avoid
>>> breakpoints altogether -- again, assuming somebody can verify that
>>> intra-cacheline call destination writes are atomic with respect to
>>> instruction decoder reads.
>> 
>> The plugin should not be able to do so. Layout of the bytecode is done by
>> the assembler, so I don’t think a plugin would help you with this one.
> 
> Actually I think we could use .bundle_align_mode for this purpose:
> 
>  https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceware.org%2Fbinutils%2Fdocs-2.31%2Fas%2FBundle-directives.html&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cnamit%40vmware.com%7Cfa29fb8be208498d039008d67727fe30%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C636827411004664549&amp;sdata=elDuAVOsSlidG7pZSZfjbhrgnMOHeX6AWKs0hJM4cCE%3D&amp;reserved=0

Hm… I don’t understand what you have in mind (i.e., when would this
assembly directives would be emitted).




  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-10 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-09 22:59 Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] compiler.h: Make __ADDRESSABLE() symbol truly unique Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] static_call: Add basic static call infrastructure Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 14:03   ` Edward Cree
2019-01-10 18:37     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] x86/static_call: Add out-of-line static call implementation Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10  0:16   ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 16:28     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] static_call: Add inline static call infrastructure Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] x86/alternative: Use a single access in text_poke() where possible Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10  9:32   ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 17:20     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 17:29       ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 17:32       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-01-10 17:42         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-01-10 17:57           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-01-10 18:04             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-01-10 18:21               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 18:24               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-01-11 12:10               ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-01-11 15:28                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 16:46                   ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-01-11 16:57                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 17:41                       ` Jason Baron
2019-01-11 17:54                         ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-15 11:10                       ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-01-15 16:19                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-01-15 16:45                           ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-01-11  0:59           ` hpa
2019-01-11  1:34             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-01-11  8:13               ` hpa
2019-01-09 22:59 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] x86/static_call: Add inline static call implementation for x86-64 Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10  1:21 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] Static calls Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 16:44   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 17:32     ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 18:18       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 19:45         ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2019-01-10 20:32           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 20:48             ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 20:57               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 21:47                 ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-10 17:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-10 20:51   ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-10 20:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-10 20:52   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-10 23:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11  0:56       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-11  1:47         ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 15:15           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 15:48             ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 16:07               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 17:23                 ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 19:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11 19:17               ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 19:23               ` hpa
2019-01-11 19:33                 ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 19:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-13  0:34                   ` hpa
2019-01-13  0:36                   ` hpa
2019-01-11 19:39                 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-01-14  2:31                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-14  2:40                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-14 20:11                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-14 22:00                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-14 22:54                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-15  3:05                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-15  5:01                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-15  5:37                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-01-14 23:27                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-14 23:51                           ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-15  2:28                           ` hpa
2019-01-11 20:04               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 20:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11 20:31                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 20:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11 21:05                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-11 21:10                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-01-11 21:32                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-14 12:28                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-11 21:22                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 21:23                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 21:25                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 21:36                         ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 21:41                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-11 21:55                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-01-11 21:59                               ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-11 21:56                             ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-12 23:54                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-17 21:10     ` Jann Horn
2020-02-17 21:57       ` Steven Rostedt

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