From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: x86: disable on 32-bit unless CONFIG_BROKEN
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:04:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3fd38a32-863d-36a8-d5b3-3b3f181d0e56@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YzMt24/14n1BVdnI@google.com>
On 9/27/22 19:07, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> 32-bit KVM has extra complications in the code due to:
>>
>> - different ways to write 64-bit values in VMCS
>>
>> - different handling of DS and ES selectors as well as FS/GS bases
>>
>> - lack of CR8 and EFER
>>
>> - lack of XFD
>>
>
> More for the list:
>
> - SVM is effectively restricted to PAE kernels due to NX requirements
True, but I'm not sure how it complicates the code? Do you mean having
to kmap/kunmap, and if so are you thinking of making KVM depend on !HIGHMEM?
>> - impossibility of writing 64-bit PTEs atomically
>
> It's not impossible, just ugly. KVM could use CMPXCHG8B to do all of the accesses
> for the TDP MMU, including the non-atomic reads and writes.
Ok, rephrased:
==========
Breakage in 32-bit KVM is somewhat rare, but it did happen and
developers themselves found out a few months later. This means that it
is very unlikely that it has any users. 32-bit processors with
virtualization extensions are a historical curiosity; 32-bit userspace
can only deal with small guests due to limited address space.
Hence, it makes sense to restrict x86 KVM to 64-bit hosts and kernels.
This removes all the conditional code to deal with the above
differences, and it also enables unconditional use of the TDP MMU:
making it work on 32-bit systems would require contortions using
CMPXCHG8B to write 64-bit PTEs atomically, and they are simply not
worth it.
==========
>> The last is the big one, because it prevents from using the TDP MMU
>> unconditionally.
>
> As above, if the TDP MMU really is the sticking point, that's solvable.
Yeah, but until now the maintainability cost of keeping 32-bit on life
support was small. Using CMPXCHG8B in the TDP MMU is possibly worse
than having two MMUs for the two-dimensional paging case, therefore
dropping the old x86 direct MMU for me is what tips the balance in favor
of removal.
(Once David submits his MMU callbacks work, I still want to see if it's
possible to preserve the "old" x86 direct MMU, for example for use in
pKVM; however, it would not be in arch/x86/).
Paolo
> The real justification for deprecating 32-bit KVM is that, outside of KVM developers,
> literally no one uses 32-bit KVM. I.e. any amount of effort that is required to
> continue supporting 32-bit kernels is a complete waste of resources.
>
prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-09-28 10:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-26 16:51 Paolo Bonzini
2022-09-27 17:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-28 7:10 ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-28 9:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-09-28 16:12 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-28 17:43 ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-28 17:44 ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-28 17:55 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-29 13:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-09-29 13:52 ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-29 15:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-02-17 19:36 ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-22 22:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-02-23 7:01 ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-23 8:33 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-02-23 22:10 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-02-24 6:28 ` Thomas Huth
2022-09-28 10:04 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
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