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From: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: x86: disable on 32-bit unless CONFIG_BROKEN
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:10:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ed74c9a9d6a0d2fd2ad8bd98214ad36e97c243a0.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YzMt24/14n1BVdnI@google.com>

On Tue, 2022-09-27 at 17:07 +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > 32-bit KVM has extra complications in the code due to:
> > 
> > - different ways to write 64-bit values in VMCS
> > 
> > - different handling of DS and ES selectors as well as FS/GS bases
> > 
> > - lack of CR8 and EFER
> > 
> > - lack of XFD
> > 
> 
> More for the list:
> 
>   - SVM is effectively restricted to PAE kernels due to NX requirements
> 
> > - impossibility of writing 64-bit PTEs atomically
> 
> It's not impossible, just ugly.  KVM could use CMPXCHG8B to do all of the accesses
> for the TDP MMU, including the non-atomic reads and writes.
> 
> > The last is the big one, because it prevents from using the TDP MMU
> > unconditionally.
> 
> As above, if the TDP MMU really is the sticking point, that's solvable.
> 
> The real justification for deprecating 32-bit KVM is that, outside of KVM developers,
> literally no one uses 32-bit KVM.  I.e. any amount of effort that is required to
> continue supporting 32-bit kernels is a complete waste of resources.
> 

I also think that outside KVM developers nobody should be using KVM on 32 bit host.

However for _developement_ I think that 32 bit KVM support is very useful, as it
allows to smoke test the support for 32 bit nested hypervisors, which I do once in a while,
and can even probably be useful to some users (e.g running some legacy stuff in a VM,
which includes a hypervisor, especially to run really legacy OSes / custom bare metal software,
using an old hypervisor) - or in other words, 32 bit nested KVM is mostly useless, but
other 32 bit nested hypervisors can be useful.

Yes, I can always use an older 32 bit kernel in a guest with KVM support, but as long
as current kernel works, it is useful to use the same kernel on host and guest.

Best regards,
	Maxim Levitsky


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-28  7:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-26 16:51 Paolo Bonzini
2022-09-27 17:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-28  7:10   ` Maxim Levitsky [this message]
2022-09-28  9:55     ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-09-28 16:12       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-28 17:43         ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-28 17:44         ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-28 17:55           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-29 13:26             ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-09-29 13:52               ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-29 15:07                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-02-17 19:36                 ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-22 22:27                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-02-23  7:01                     ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-23  8:33                       ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-02-23 22:10                         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-02-24  6:28                           ` Thomas Huth
2022-09-28 10:04   ` Paolo Bonzini

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