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From: "Moger, Babu" <babu.moger@amd.com>
To: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 07/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce the interface to display monitor mode
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:38:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43051b97-38ac-4f4d-afdd-014387de4996@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b07218ed-057e-4eaa-b04c-15f7b80cee90@arm.com>

Hi James,

On 8/16/24 11:56, James Morse wrote:
> Hi Babu,
> 
> On 06/08/2024 23:00, Babu Moger wrote:
>> The mbm_mode displays list of monitor modes supported.
>>
>> The mbm_cntr_assign is one of the currently supported modes. It is also
>> called ABMC (Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters) feature. ABMC
>> feature provides option to assign a hardware counter to an RMID and
>> monitor the bandwidth as long as it is assigned. ABMC mode is enabled
>> by default when supported.
>>
>> Legacy mode works without the assignment option.
>>
>> Provide an interface to display the monitor mode on the system.
>> $cat /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_mode
>> [mbm_cntr_assign]
>> legacy
>>
>> Switching the mbm_mode will reset all the mbm counters of all resctrl
>> groups.
> 
>> diff --git a/Documentation/arch/x86/resctrl.rst b/Documentation/arch/x86/resctrl.rst
>> index 30586728a4cd..d4ec605b200a 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/arch/x86/resctrl.rst
>> +++ b/Documentation/arch/x86/resctrl.rst
>> @@ -257,6 +257,40 @@ with the following files:
>>  	    # cat /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_local_bytes_config
>>  	    0=0x30;1=0x30;3=0x15;4=0x15
>>  
>> +"mbm_mode":
>> +	Reports the list of assignable monitoring features supported. The
>> +	enclosed brackets indicate which feature is enabled.
>> +	::
>> +
>> +	  cat /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_mode
>> +	  [mbm_cntr_assign]
>> +	  legacy
>> +
>> +	"mbm_cntr_assign":
>> +		AMD's ABMC feature is one of the mbm_cntr_assign mode supported.
>> +		The bandwidth monitoring feature on AMD system only guarantees
>> +		that RMIDs currently assigned to a processor will be tracked by
>> +		hardware. The counters of any other RMIDs which are no longer
>> +		being tracked will be reset to zero. The MBM event counters
>> +		return "Unavailable" for the RMIDs that are not tracked by
>> +		hardware. So, there can be only limited number of groups that can
>> +		give guaranteed monitoring numbers. With ever changing configurations
>> +		there is no way to definitely know which of these groups are being
>> +		tracked for certain point of time. Users do not have the option to
>> +		monitor a group or set of groups for certain period of time without
>> +		worrying about RMID being reset in between.
>> +
>> +		The ABMC feature provides an option to the user to assign a hardware
>> +		counter to an RMID and monitor the bandwidth as long as it is assigned.
>> +		The assigned RMID will be tracked by the hardware until the user
>> +		unassigns it manually. There is no need to worry about counters being
>> +		reset during this period.
> 
> While debugging my rebase of MPAM on top of this series, I've come back to this wording a
> few times to try and work out what I should expect to see ...
> 
> Is it possible to disentangle the AMD hardware feature description from the description of
> the filesystem behaviour this enables? You are really describing what the hardware does if
> you don't enable this mode...
> 
> An incomplete suggestion of the shape would be something like:
> 
> | In mbm_cntr_assign mode user-space is able to specify which control
> | or monitor groups in resctrl should have a hardware counter assigned
> | using the 'mbm_control' file. The number of hardware counters available
> | is described in the 'num_mbm_cntrs' file.
> | Changing this mode will cause all counters on a resource to reset.
> |
> | The feature is needed on platforms which support more control and monitor
> | groups than hardware counters, meaning 'unassigned' control or monitor groups will
> | report 'Unavailable' or not count all the traffic in an unpredictable way.
> |
> | Platforms with AMDs ABMC feature enable this mode by default so that counters
> | remain assigned even when the corresponding RMID is not in use by any processor.
> 

Looks good to me.

> 
>> +	"Legacy":
> 
> Calling "enough hardware counters" 'legacy' is a bit curious.... 'default'?

"Default"  Sound good me to if no objections from others.


> (but I haven't worked out the benefit of disabling this mode, so maybe it doesn't need a
> name.)
> 
>> +		Legacy mode works without the assignment option. The monitoring works
>> +		as long as there are enough RMID counters available to support number
>> +		of monitoring groups.
> 
> How can user-space tell this is the case? Could we be specific as to what 'works' means?
> 
> Something like:
> | By default resctrl assumes each control and monitor group has a hardware counter.
> | Hardware without this property will still allow more control or monitor groups
> | than 'num_mbm_cntrs' to be created. Reading the mbm files may report
> | 'Unavailable' if there is no hardware resource assigned.

Looks good.

> 
> 
> N.B. I don't suggest referring to the num_rmid file in these as MPAM doesn't have an
> equivalent property.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> James
> 

-- 
Thanks
Babu Moger

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-16 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-06 22:00 [PATCH v6 00/22] x86/resctrl : Support AMD Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC) Babu Moger
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 01/22] x86/cpufeatures: Add support for " Babu Moger
2024-08-07 16:32   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-08 14:46     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 02/22] x86/resctrl: Add ABMC feature in the command line options Babu Moger
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 03/22] x86/resctrl: Consolidate monitoring related data from rdt_resource Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:29   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 14:46     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 04/22] x86/resctrl: Detect Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring feature details Babu Moger
2024-08-07 16:33   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-16 21:30   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 15:37     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 05/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce resctrl_file_fflags_init() to initialize fflags Babu Moger
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 06/22] x86/resctrl: Add support to enable/disable AMD ABMC feature Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:29   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:38     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 21:31   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 18:07     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 18:17       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 07/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce the interface to display monitor mode Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:56   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:38     ` Moger, Babu [this message]
2024-08-16 21:32   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 19:27     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 08/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce interface to display number of monitoring counters Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:34   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 15:56     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 18:08       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 09/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce MBM counters bitmap Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:29   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:39     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 21:35   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 15:49     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 18:08       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 10/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce mbm_total_cfg and mbm_local_cfg Babu Moger
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 11/22] x86/resctrl: Remove MSR reading of event configuration value Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:36   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 16:19     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 18:09       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 12/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce mbm_cntr_map to track counters at domain Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:37   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 18:24     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 13/22] x86/resctrl: Add data structures and definitions for ABMC assignment Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:38   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 20:56     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 21:09       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 14/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce cntr_id in mongroup for assignments Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:38   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 22:42     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 15/22] x86/resctrl: Add the interface to assign a hardware counter Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:30   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:39     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 21:41   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 15:04     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 16/22] x86/resctrl: Add the interface to unassign a MBM counter Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:41   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 16:01     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-23 20:18       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-23 22:05         ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 17/22] x86/resctrl: Assign/unassign counters by default when ABMC is enabled Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:42   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 17:20     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 18/22] x86/resctrl: Report "Unassigned" for MBM events in ABMC mode Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:42   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 17:30     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 19/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce the interface to switch between monitor modes Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:31   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 17:01     ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-16 17:16       ` Peter Newman
2024-08-16 18:09         ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 14:52           ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 18:27             ` Peter Newman
2024-08-20 18:11               ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-16 21:42   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 18:08     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 20/22] x86/resctrl: Enable AMD ABMC feature by default when supported Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:32   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:40     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 22:33   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 18:18     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 18:12       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 20:04         ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 20:18           ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 20:37             ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 21/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce interface to list monitor states of all the groups Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:28   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:40     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 22/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce interface to modify assignment states of " Babu Moger
2024-08-16 22:33   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 20:11     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-23 20:18       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-23 22:04         ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 21:28 ` [PATCH v6 00/22] x86/resctrl : Support AMD Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC) Reinette Chatre
2024-08-22  1:31   ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-23 20:29     ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-23 22:14       ` Moger, Babu

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