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From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: Babu Moger <babu.moger@amd.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 07/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce the interface to display monitor mode
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:56:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b07218ed-057e-4eaa-b04c-15f7b80cee90@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c8503402c5dcb17012b2010f6accf00db245dec4.1722981659.git.babu.moger@amd.com>

Hi Babu,

On 06/08/2024 23:00, Babu Moger wrote:
> The mbm_mode displays list of monitor modes supported.
> 
> The mbm_cntr_assign is one of the currently supported modes. It is also
> called ABMC (Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters) feature. ABMC
> feature provides option to assign a hardware counter to an RMID and
> monitor the bandwidth as long as it is assigned. ABMC mode is enabled
> by default when supported.
> 
> Legacy mode works without the assignment option.
> 
> Provide an interface to display the monitor mode on the system.
> $cat /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_mode
> [mbm_cntr_assign]
> legacy
> 
> Switching the mbm_mode will reset all the mbm counters of all resctrl
> groups.

> diff --git a/Documentation/arch/x86/resctrl.rst b/Documentation/arch/x86/resctrl.rst
> index 30586728a4cd..d4ec605b200a 100644
> --- a/Documentation/arch/x86/resctrl.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/arch/x86/resctrl.rst
> @@ -257,6 +257,40 @@ with the following files:
>  	    # cat /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_local_bytes_config
>  	    0=0x30;1=0x30;3=0x15;4=0x15
>  
> +"mbm_mode":
> +	Reports the list of assignable monitoring features supported. The
> +	enclosed brackets indicate which feature is enabled.
> +	::
> +
> +	  cat /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_mode
> +	  [mbm_cntr_assign]
> +	  legacy
> +
> +	"mbm_cntr_assign":
> +		AMD's ABMC feature is one of the mbm_cntr_assign mode supported.
> +		The bandwidth monitoring feature on AMD system only guarantees
> +		that RMIDs currently assigned to a processor will be tracked by
> +		hardware. The counters of any other RMIDs which are no longer
> +		being tracked will be reset to zero. The MBM event counters
> +		return "Unavailable" for the RMIDs that are not tracked by
> +		hardware. So, there can be only limited number of groups that can
> +		give guaranteed monitoring numbers. With ever changing configurations
> +		there is no way to definitely know which of these groups are being
> +		tracked for certain point of time. Users do not have the option to
> +		monitor a group or set of groups for certain period of time without
> +		worrying about RMID being reset in between.
> +
> +		The ABMC feature provides an option to the user to assign a hardware
> +		counter to an RMID and monitor the bandwidth as long as it is assigned.
> +		The assigned RMID will be tracked by the hardware until the user
> +		unassigns it manually. There is no need to worry about counters being
> +		reset during this period.

While debugging my rebase of MPAM on top of this series, I've come back to this wording a
few times to try and work out what I should expect to see ...

Is it possible to disentangle the AMD hardware feature description from the description of
the filesystem behaviour this enables? You are really describing what the hardware does if
you don't enable this mode...

An incomplete suggestion of the shape would be something like:

| In mbm_cntr_assign mode user-space is able to specify which control
| or monitor groups in resctrl should have a hardware counter assigned
| using the 'mbm_control' file. The number of hardware counters available
| is described in the 'num_mbm_cntrs' file.
| Changing this mode will cause all counters on a resource to reset.
|
| The feature is needed on platforms which support more control and monitor
| groups than hardware counters, meaning 'unassigned' control or monitor groups will
| report 'Unavailable' or not count all the traffic in an unpredictable way.
|
| Platforms with AMDs ABMC feature enable this mode by default so that counters
| remain assigned even when the corresponding RMID is not in use by any processor.


> +	"Legacy":

Calling "enough hardware counters" 'legacy' is a bit curious.... 'default'?
(but I haven't worked out the benefit of disabling this mode, so maybe it doesn't need a
name.)

> +		Legacy mode works without the assignment option. The monitoring works
> +		as long as there are enough RMID counters available to support number
> +		of monitoring groups.

How can user-space tell this is the case? Could we be specific as to what 'works' means?

Something like:
| By default resctrl assumes each control and monitor group has a hardware counter.
| Hardware without this property will still allow more control or monitor groups
| than 'num_mbm_cntrs' to be created. Reading the mbm files may report
| 'Unavailable' if there is no hardware resource assigned.


N.B. I don't suggest referring to the num_rmid file in these as MPAM doesn't have an
equivalent property.


Thanks,

James

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-16 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-06 22:00 [PATCH v6 00/22] x86/resctrl : Support AMD Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC) Babu Moger
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 01/22] x86/cpufeatures: Add support for " Babu Moger
2024-08-07 16:32   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-08 14:46     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 02/22] x86/resctrl: Add ABMC feature in the command line options Babu Moger
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 03/22] x86/resctrl: Consolidate monitoring related data from rdt_resource Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:29   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 14:46     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 04/22] x86/resctrl: Detect Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring feature details Babu Moger
2024-08-07 16:33   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-16 21:30   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 15:37     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 05/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce resctrl_file_fflags_init() to initialize fflags Babu Moger
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 06/22] x86/resctrl: Add support to enable/disable AMD ABMC feature Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:29   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:38     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 21:31   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 18:07     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 18:17       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 07/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce the interface to display monitor mode Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:56   ` James Morse [this message]
2024-08-16 20:38     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 21:32   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 19:27     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 08/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce interface to display number of monitoring counters Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:34   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 15:56     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 18:08       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 09/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce MBM counters bitmap Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:29   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:39     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 21:35   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 15:49     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 18:08       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 10/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce mbm_total_cfg and mbm_local_cfg Babu Moger
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 11/22] x86/resctrl: Remove MSR reading of event configuration value Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:36   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 16:19     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 18:09       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 12/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce mbm_cntr_map to track counters at domain Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:37   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 18:24     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 13/22] x86/resctrl: Add data structures and definitions for ABMC assignment Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:38   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 20:56     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 21:09       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 14/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce cntr_id in mongroup for assignments Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:38   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 22:42     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 15/22] x86/resctrl: Add the interface to assign a hardware counter Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:30   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:39     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 21:41   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 15:04     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 16/22] x86/resctrl: Add the interface to unassign a MBM counter Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:41   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 16:01     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-23 20:18       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-23 22:05         ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 17/22] x86/resctrl: Assign/unassign counters by default when ABMC is enabled Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:42   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 17:20     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 18/22] x86/resctrl: Report "Unassigned" for MBM events in ABMC mode Babu Moger
2024-08-16 21:42   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 17:30     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 19/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce the interface to switch between monitor modes Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:31   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 17:01     ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-16 17:16       ` Peter Newman
2024-08-16 18:09         ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 14:52           ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 18:27             ` Peter Newman
2024-08-20 18:11               ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-16 21:42   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 18:08     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 20/22] x86/resctrl: Enable AMD ABMC feature by default when supported Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:32   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:40     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 22:33   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-19 18:18     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 18:12       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-20 20:04         ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 20:18           ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-20 20:37             ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 21/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce interface to list monitor states of all the groups Babu Moger
2024-08-16 16:28   ` James Morse
2024-08-16 20:40     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-06 22:00 ` [PATCH v6 22/22] x86/resctrl: Introduce interface to modify assignment states of " Babu Moger
2024-08-16 22:33   ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-21 20:11     ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-23 20:18       ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-23 22:04         ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-16 21:28 ` [PATCH v6 00/22] x86/resctrl : Support AMD Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC) Reinette Chatre
2024-08-22  1:31   ` Moger, Babu
2024-08-23 20:29     ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-23 22:14       ` Moger, Babu

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