From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Ben Collins <bcollins@ubuntu.com>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
weihs@ict.tuwien.ac.at, linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
bcollins@debian.org, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kthread conversion: convert ieee1394 from kernel_thread
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:12:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <448B0B82.8000202@s5r6.in-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060610163859.GA24081@infradead.org>
Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 12:34:46PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
>>1394 bus rescanning takes a _lot_ longer than a PCI rescan. If we don't
>>do this in a kthread, then we have to do it as a tasklet, and take a
>>chance of stalling for a few seconds (not ms), preventing other
>>tasklet's from running. Suboptimal, IMO.
>
> This is just user-initiated FC rescans. And I doubt they take as long
> as parallel scsi rescans which can go into the minutes range easily.
> Nothing will be stalled by calling this except the caller, which would
> usually be echo called from some shell, something the user can put in
> the background using job control.
There is no such userspace caller yet.
Note, the task of nodemgr, or of a hypothetical userspace replacement,
is not only to scan the ROMs of nodes and initiate attachment of
protocol drivers but also
- to rescan the ROMs of nodes after bus resets (necessary for protocol
drivers to reconnect, which has restrictions WRT latency),
- IEEE 1394 bus management (which has hard latency restrictions too).
We also started using nodemgr to determine the correct speed at which
IEEE 1394b nodes can be reached, i.e. for fairly low-level tasks. And
there are further plans for nodemgr like optimization of bus arbitration
gaps, or parallelized node scanning.
I am not sure that this can really be loaded off to userspace. And if we
would do so, deployment would become painful.
--
Stefan Richter
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http://arcgraph.de/sr/
prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-06-10 18:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-10 14:31 Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-10 14:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 15:11 ` Stefan Richter
2006-06-10 15:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 16:34 ` Ben Collins
2006-06-10 16:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-10 18:08 ` Ben Collins
2006-06-10 18:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-17 18:44 ` Stefan Richter
2006-06-18 10:29 ` Stefan Richter
2006-06-18 16:57 ` [PATCH 2.6.17-rc6-mm2 0/6] ieee1394: nodemgr: misc API conversions Stefan Richter
2006-06-18 16:57 ` [PATCH 2.6.17-rc6-mm2 1/6] ieee1394: nodemgr: remove unnecessary includes Stefan Richter
2006-06-18 16:59 ` [PATCH 2.6.17-rc6-mm2 2/6] ieee1394: do not spawn a kernel_thread for user-initiated bus rescan Stefan Richter
2006-06-18 17:00 ` [PATCH 2.6.17-rc6-mm2 3/6] ieee1394: make module parameter ignore_drivers writable Stefan Richter
2006-06-18 17:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.17-rc6-mm2 4/6] ieee1394: nodemgr: switch to kthread API Stefan Richter
2006-06-18 17:03 ` [PATCH 2.6.17-rc6-mm2 5/6] ieee1394: nodemgr: replace reset semaphore Stefan Richter
2006-06-18 17:05 ` [PATCH 2.6.17-rc6-mm2 6/6] ieee1394: convert nodemgr_serialize semaphore to mutex Stefan Richter
2006-06-10 18:12 ` Stefan Richter [this message]
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