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From: Rongwei Wang <rongwei.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Cc: catalin.marinas@arm.com, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	bjorn.andersson@linaro.org, shawnguo@kernel.org,
	gshan@redhat.com, geert+renesas@glider.be, Anson.Huang@nxp.com,
	masahiroy@kernel.org, michael@walle.cc, krzk@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, vkoul@kernel.org, olof@lixom.net,
	vincenzo.frascino@arm.com, ardb@kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] arm64:msr: Add MSR driver
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 13:45:36 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4513911D-77BF-4459-B8DF-9889395C16AC@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7e9ae04f3394a85aa3b8fe8947a44009@kernel.org>



> 2020年12月1日 下午11:37,Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org> 写道:
> 
> On 2020-12-01 14:25, wangrongwei wrote:
>>> 2020年12月1日 下午4:12,Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org> 写道:
>>> On 2020-12-01 03:09, wangrongwei wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>> We have validate this driver in vm and physical machine, and works fine.
>>> But what does "work fine" mean? None of these system registers are supposed
>>> to be accessible from userspace, so please explain *what* you are trying to
>>> do with this, other that introducing security holes and general system
>>> instability?
>> I think I know what you mean. Do you want me to describe how we achieved it?
>> In x86, the different registers can be accessed directly using the
>> rdmsr and wrmsr instructions, but in ARM, since these two instructions
>> are missing, so we modify the code segment during runtime, similar to
>> the principle of static_key.
> 
> [...]
> 
> These are implementation details, none of which answer my question:
> 
> What makes you think this is a good idea? I cannot see any legitimate
In fact, I think this tool useful mainly in the following scenarios:
	1. performance debug
	2. Arm-core features test
	3. Debug-tool for kernel developer 
Also, for example, MSR-ARM is needed for chip verification and system-level functional verification.
A simple example, perf stat can test pmu, but the overflow interrupt function and forced overflow function of pmu is not covered.
In both cases, we need a special interface to configure it, which can be considered as testing requirements, so it can only be tested by configuring (access) registers, e.g., devmem command for memmap registers, MSR-ARM driver for system registers.
> reason for userspace to ever access privileged system registers, and
> the fact that x86 has such feature isn't a good justification.
> 
>        M.
> -- 
> Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny…

Sorry for the delayed response.

Regards,
Rongwei Wang.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-03  5:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-30 17:48 Rongwei Wang
2020-11-30 17:48 ` [PATCH 1/3] arm64:insn: Export symbols for MSR ARM driver Rongwei Wang
2020-11-30 17:48 ` [PATCH 2/3] arm64:msr: Introduce " Rongwei Wang
2020-11-30 17:48 ` [PATCH 3/3] arm64:msr: Enable " Rongwei Wang
2020-11-30 17:57 ` [PATCH 0/3] arm64:msr: Add MSR driver Will Deacon
2020-12-01  2:55   ` wangrongwei
2020-12-01  5:44   ` wangrongwei
2020-11-30 18:05 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-11-30 18:20   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-12-01  3:09   ` wangrongwei
2020-12-01  8:12     ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-01 14:25       ` wangrongwei
2020-12-01 15:37         ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-03  5:45           ` Rongwei Wang [this message]
2020-12-03  8:35             ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-03 11:25               ` Rongwei Wang
2020-12-03 11:45                 ` Marc Zyngier
2020-12-03 12:22                   ` Rongwei Wang
2020-12-03 11:50                 ` Mark Rutland
2020-11-30 19:03 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-12-01  3:44   ` wangrongwei
2020-12-01 11:26     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-12-01 14:33       ` wangrongwei
2020-12-01 14:54         ` Borislav Petkov
2020-12-01 15:17           ` Rongwei Wang
2020-12-01 15:25             ` Borislav Petkov
2020-12-03  2:09               ` Rongwei Wang
2020-12-01 15:26             ` Ard Biesheuvel

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