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From: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>, "w@1wt.eu" <w@1wt.eu>
Subject: Re: [RFC] x86: Avoid CR3 load on compatibility mode with PTI
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:42:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <451AD6CB-74AA-4869-8CB1-8175126C3F0D@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C6FE7867-EA7D-495F-9A27-D598EAFBD280@amacapital.net>

Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:

> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Currently, when page-table isolation is on to prevent the Meltdown bug
>> (CVE-2017-5754), CR3 is always loaded on system-call and interrupt.
>> 
>> However, it appears that this is an unnecessary measure when programs
>> run in compatibility mode. In this mode only 32-bit registers are
>> available, which means that there *should* be no way for the CPU to
>> access, even speculatively, memory that belongs to the kernel, which
>> sits in high addresses.
> 
> You're assuming that TIF_IA32 prevents the execution of 64-bit code.  It doesn't.
> 
> I've occasionally considered adding an opt-in hardening mechanism to enforce 32-bit or 64-bit execution, but we don't have this now.

I noticed it doesn’t. I thought the removing/restoring the __USER_CS
descriptor on context switch, based on TIF_IA32, would be enough.
modify_ldt() always keeps the descriptor l-bit clear. I will review the
other GDT descriptors, and if needed, create two GDTs. Let me know if I
missed anything else.

> Anything like this would also need to spend on SMEP, I think -- the pseudo-SMEP granted by PTI is too valuable to give up on old boxes, I think.

If SMEP is not supported, compatibility mode would still require page-table
isolation.

Thanks for the feedback. I still look for an ack for the basic idea of
disabling page-table isolation on compatibility mode.

Regards,
Nadav

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-15 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-14 20:13 Nadav Amit
2018-01-15 17:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-15 17:42   ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2018-01-15 17:45     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-15 17:50       ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-15 18:04         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-15 18:50           ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-15 19:49 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-15 19:52   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-15 20:09   ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-16  0:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-16  3:49       ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-20 14:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-20 16:31           ` Willy Tarreau

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