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From: Alex Bligh - linux-kernel <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>
To: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>, Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alex Bligh - linux-kernel <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:58:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <477033435.998258297@[169.254.45.213]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108181839130.31188-100000@waste.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108181839130.31188-100000@waste.org>

>> obviously some people fear NICs feeding entropy provides a hazard.  for
>> those who dont, or are increadibly low on entropy, enable the
>> configuration option.
>
> Why don't those who aren't worried about whether they _really_ have enough
> entropy simply use /dev/urandom?

This is not the issue; some of use _are_ worried whether or not we
have enough entropy (and want a read that blocks until sufficient
additional entropy arrives if entropy is insufficient), but don't have
sources of enough sources of entropy (e.g. on an idling machine where
everything is cached) if one does not allow network IRQ's to
generate entropy. In doing the latter, we do (admittedly) make
the assumption that they are valid sources of entropy (see discussion
past as to why this might or might not be the case), but using /dev/urandom
rather /dev/random will ALWAYS give a less random result in low entropy
situations.

IE I want to use the entropy calcs; I consider network IRQ spacing to be
sufficiently random and unobservable for them to be a valid source
of entropy, and (as the advantages doing so for various configs have
been widely documentated elsewhere) think that there should be a
config option (or /proc option) to support this. I do /not/ want to
ignore entropy calcs entirely (i.e. use /dev/urandom).

--
Alex Bligh

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-19 20:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-16  4:36 [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:40 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:42 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:43 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:44 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  8:50 ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 14:50 ` Robert Love
2001-08-16 17:02   ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 19:28     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-16 20:19       ` D. Stimits
2001-08-17  0:47       ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 22:56         ` D. Stimits
2001-08-18 17:44           ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-18 23:41             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  0:38               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19  3:33                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  3:49                   ` Robert Love
2001-08-21  7:17                   ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2001-08-19 18:46                 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19  3:12               ` Robert Love
2001-08-19  3:36                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  3:41                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19  3:57                     ` Robert Love
2001-08-19  3:56                   ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 14:43                     ` lists
2001-08-19 21:34                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:08                         ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:18                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:30                           ` David Schwartz
2001-08-19 22:38                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:46                               ` David Schwartz
2001-08-20 13:25                                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 19:48                                   ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21  8:50                                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21  7:49                                       ` David Lang
2001-08-21  9:21                                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 10:06                                           ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' (better timing in random.c) Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 18:31                                         ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:53                                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 18:29                                       ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:57                                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 21:50                                       ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 17:08                     ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 18:02                       ` David Madore
2001-08-19 23:47                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 21:19                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:24                       ` David Ford
2001-08-20 10:02                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 10:34                       ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 10:47                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 13:07                           ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 13:57                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 14:25                             ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21  1:11                               ` Theodore Tso
2001-08-21  1:36                               ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21  9:43                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21  9:59                                   ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 18:33                                   ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 17:19                                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21  4:33                               ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:15                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:36                       ` Robert Love
2001-08-22  6:10                     ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22  8:54                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-22 13:47                       ` Chris Friesen
2001-08-22  6:26                     ` Robert Love
2001-08-22 17:27                       ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-19 20:58               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel [this message]
2001-08-19 22:19                 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19 22:29                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20  2:26                     ` Mike Castle
2001-08-20 23:08                       ` Tom Rini
2001-08-18  5:57         ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-17  0:47     ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 14:34       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-17  0:47   ` Robert Love
2001-08-17  9:05     ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-17 15:00       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
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2001-08-21  2:14         ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Andi Kleen
2001-08-21  3:02           ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21  3:12             ` Andi Kleen
2001-08-21  3:16             ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21 13:34               ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21 18:38           ` David Wagner

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