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From: Alex Bligh - linux-kernel <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>
To: lists@sapience.com, Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
Cc: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, riel@conectiva.com.br,
	Alex Bligh - linux-kernel <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:34:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <479225540.998260489@[169.254.45.213]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010819104345.A11696@sapience.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010819104345.A11696@sapience.com>

Gene,

>  Perhaps the patch does this already, but if there are concerns about
>  pollution from the nasty outside is it possible to add a flag to /proc
>  to turn this on/off by interface - that way it could easily be limited
>  to only get influenced by the inside network rather than the outside.

No it doesn't do this, but:

Because it looks at inter-IRQ timing, the risk is mainly (as per
previous posting) the theoretical risk of being able to determine
that inter-IRQ timing from observation of the network(s) connected.
So an attacker sending packets at known intervals on one network
when interleaved with packets arriving at unknown intervals on
another network will not do them much good. Equally observations
made on packet timings on one network will be useless if those
packets are interleaved with packets arriving on another network.
As per previous posting, there is a theoretical risk, (magnitude
dependent upon environment) - hence the config option - but rather
smaller than the risk (say) if you are using a radio mouse & keyboard.

--
Alex Bligh

  reply	other threads:[~2001-08-19 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-16  4:36 [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:40 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:42 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:43 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:44 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  8:50 ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 14:50 ` Robert Love
2001-08-16 17:02   ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 19:28     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-16 20:19       ` D. Stimits
2001-08-17  0:47       ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 22:56         ` D. Stimits
2001-08-18 17:44           ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-18 23:41             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  0:38               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19  3:33                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  3:49                   ` Robert Love
2001-08-21  7:17                   ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2001-08-19 18:46                 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19  3:12               ` Robert Love
2001-08-19  3:36                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  3:41                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19  3:57                     ` Robert Love
2001-08-19  3:56                   ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 14:43                     ` lists
2001-08-19 21:34                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel [this message]
2001-08-19 22:08                         ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:18                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:30                           ` David Schwartz
2001-08-19 22:38                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:46                               ` David Schwartz
2001-08-20 13:25                                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 19:48                                   ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21  8:50                                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21  7:49                                       ` David Lang
2001-08-21  9:21                                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 10:06                                           ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' (better timing in random.c) Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 18:31                                         ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:53                                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 18:29                                       ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:57                                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 21:50                                       ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 17:08                     ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 18:02                       ` David Madore
2001-08-19 23:47                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 21:19                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:24                       ` David Ford
2001-08-20 10:02                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 10:34                       ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 10:47                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 13:07                           ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 13:57                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 14:25                             ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21  1:11                               ` Theodore Tso
2001-08-21  1:36                               ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21  9:43                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21  9:59                                   ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 18:33                                   ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 17:19                                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21  4:33                               ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:15                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:36                       ` Robert Love
2001-08-22  6:10                     ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22  8:54                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-22 13:47                       ` Chris Friesen
2001-08-22  6:26                     ` Robert Love
2001-08-22 17:27                       ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-19 20:58               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:19                 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19 22:29                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20  2:26                     ` Mike Castle
2001-08-20 23:08                       ` Tom Rini
2001-08-18  5:57         ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-17  0:47     ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 14:34       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-17  0:47   ` Robert Love
2001-08-17  9:05     ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-17 15:00       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
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2001-08-21  2:14         ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Andi Kleen
2001-08-21  3:02           ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21  3:12             ` Andi Kleen
2001-08-21  3:16             ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21 13:34               ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21 18:38           ` David Wagner

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