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From: Tomasz Chmielewski <mangoo@wpkg.org>
To: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>,
	ext-adrian.hunter@nokia.com, jwboyer@gmail.com,
	"Artem B. Bityutskiy" <dedekind@yandex.ru>
Subject: UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:02:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47F1EC20.6050600@wpkg.org> (raw)

Artem Bityutskiy wrote:

> I've renamed the thread because I do not like this flamish discussion
> to me mixed with the technical one.
> 
> Jörn Engel wrote:
>> Shiny numbers!  Performance has improved significantly in the last six
>> month.  Still worth a closer look.
> We'll re-run them. Does logfs support write-back? Does it support compression?

For me, the motivators to wait for LogFS are mainly the facts that it
can work on traditional block devices, and not only on pure flash:

1. It works on normal block devices and it supports transparent compression

Today, a 64 GB SSD/flash-based media costs ~about the same as a 1 TB
hard disk. This makes flash very expensive to use; compression can
compensate that cost a bit (will depend on the usage, of course).

I believe there is no other Linux filesystem which can do transparent
compression on block devices.


2. It does wear-levelling also on normal block devices

Although it doesn't sound normal to do wear-levelling twice (most
flash-based block devices do wear-levelling on their own), I had a flash
corruption after just ~one month of using RAID bitmap on a IDE-flash
disk formatted with ext3. Apparently, device-level wear-levelling wasn't
spreading updates of RAID bitmap file well enough.

(...)

> This basically means it is unfinished. Handling dynamic bad blocks is a *must*
> if you are going to work on NAND, especially on MLC NAND which are not as
> reliable as SLC.
> I think you should bluntly say about this when you submit patches to prevent
> people from starting using it in production.

I too wouldn't use LogFS today in a production environment - it is still 
not feature complete and not widely tested.
I wouldn't use btrfs or ext4 today for the very same reason.


-- 
Tomasz Chmielewski
http://wpkg.org



             reply	other threads:[~2008-04-01  8:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-01  8:02 Tomasz Chmielewski [this message]
2008-04-01  8:45 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:03   ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:09     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:31       ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:39   ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-01  9:57     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-02 14:17       ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-02 14:22         ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:06   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-01 11:23     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 16:27       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-01 21:26         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-02  4:47           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-02  6:25             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-02  7:17               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-09 21:09 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-09 21:32   ` Jörn Engel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-03-27 14:55 [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 12:29 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-31 12:47   ` Adrian Hunter
2008-03-31 13:20     ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  5:26       ` UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system) Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  5:28         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  5:56         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:25           ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:39             ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 10:51               ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:17                 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:19         ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:46           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 11:16             ` Jörn Engel

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